Xbox One vs PS4

[bazongaman502]

Major Nelson looked drunk in that video haha. But i liked everything he said

[Fiery Grave]

So in an interview Major Nelson said that the HDMI input wasn't limited to cable boxes. Apparently if you wanted you could hook up your X360 to your X1 and you could get all the quick-switching goodness between the two.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lMhjM9BK7M&noredirect=1

Oh, and it seems that if you connect your cable box through your X1, you can still get game and party invites while watching TV.

Im impressed he can wear that hat in there... E3 is infamous for being hot as balls

also i like this

Q: Will Xbox One be backward compatible with existing Xbox 360 games?
A: Xbox One hardware is not compatible with Xbox 360 games. We designed Xbox One to play an entirely new generation of games—games that are architected to take full advantage of state-of-the-art processors and the infinite power of the cloud. We care very much about the investment people have made in Xbox 360 and will continue to support it with a pipeline of new games and new apps well into the future.

[bazongaman502]

Im impressed he can wear that hat in there... E3 is infamous for being hot as balls

also i like this

Q: Will Xbox One be backward compatible with existing Xbox 360 games?
A: Xbox One hardware is not compatible with Xbox 360 games. We designed Xbox One to play an entirely new generation of games—games that are architected to take full advantage of state-of-the-art processors and the infinite power of the cloud. We care very much about the investment people have made in Xbox 360 and will continue to support it with a pipeline of new games and new apps well into the future.

Yeah I think they said they were targeting to keep the 360 fully alive like usual for another 5 years or so. I highly doubt it will be that long because the sales on the 360 and its games will slowly drop to the point where there is no need to really keep it alive. Anything is possible though :)

I plan to keep my 360 for a while, mainly so I can still keep in touch with my buddies who don't get the Xbox One right off the bat or go to the PS4. I probably wont buy many more 360 games though when the Xbox One is out. Except Watch Dogs and Battlefield 4. Those 2 games i'll get for the 360 AND the Xbox One. Both look amazing and I feel worthy to buy both on each console (unless I get the Xbox One before I get those 2 games for the 360)

[Graycochea]

So wait, do you connect the X1 to a cable box or can the X1 BE a cable box?

I thought it could be a cable box.

That connecting a 360 to the X1 is cool too. I guess I don't mind as long as there's some sort of 360 support. My mind is being effectively changed about the X1.

I still like the PS4, but I may get that one second now.

[RaZ Vader]

I'm still eh. On the X1. I still don't trust it. Regardless. I can't afford $500 and that kinect can be thrown in a fire of brimstone. But. Knowing me and how I am growing tired of halo. It doesn't matter. Although I also know that my mind can be quickly changed. I mean halo 5 60 fps. Eh. I'd be lying if I wasn't a little interested.

But. Mt gaming console is still a PS4. This is going to be a great generation of gaming.

[Al Capone111]

I'm still eh. On the X1. I still don't trust it. Regardless. I can't afford $500 and that kinect can be thrown in a fire of brimstone. But. Knowing me and how I am growing tired of halo. It doesn't matter. Although I also know that my mind can be quickly changed. I mean halo 5 60 fps. Eh. I'd be lying if I wasn't a little interested.

But. Mt gaming console is still a PS4. This is going to be a great generation of gaming.

We get it Raz. You hate the Kinect. Stop going on like a damn broken record about it already.

[MedeDust]

We get it Raz. You hate the Kinect. Stop going on like a damn broken record about it already.

Take it easy, Capone.

[Graycochea]

Which console will be graphically better? I'd like to believe that they're the same because they have the same pieces. The only real difference is whatever DDR5 or what ever means.

[MedeDust]

Which console will be graphically better? I'd like to believe that they're the same because they have the same pieces. The only real difference is whatever DDR5 or what ever means.

At launch I believe they both will be equally great, however, the X1 is designed to improve virtually, which means microsoft can use the always online feature to update your xbox and improve the graphics.

[Graycochea]

If instead of it being everything and one needing to connect everything to it, how many HDMI ports does the X1 have?

[MedeDust]

http://www.expertreviews.co.uk/games/1296739/xbox-one-drm-features-news-price-specs-release-date

[RaZ Vader]

I doubt this is true.. But if it is... Yeah.... I have nothing to say...

http://www.p4rgaming.com/microsoft-confirms-xbox-one-will-only-work-in-21-states-in-the-us-at-launch/

[KazuhLLL]

I doubt this is true.. But if it is... Yeah.... I have nothing to say...

http://www.p4rgaming.com/microsoft-confirms-xbox-one-will-only-work-in-21-states-in-the-us-at-launch/

That site is like The Onion of the gaming industry. Lol.

[RaZ Vader]

I thought it was funny. Lol I mean cmon. Can only be used in 21 states. That's a little ridiculous and would kill Microsoft's chance with this system.

[RaZ Vader]

And sadly.. People are going to believe it.

[bazongaman502]

its the internet, people will believe everything just to find something to hate

[Anarchy]

FFXV and KH3 on the Xbox One, and FFXIV still available on the PS3.


There goes my PS4 desire.

[Blackhawk570]

Anarchy is like 20 pages late

[Anarchy]

Anarchy is like 20 pages late

I'm aware it was posted xD

[Graycochea]

I doubt this is true.. But if it is... Yeah.... I have nothing to say...

http://www.p4rgaming.com/microsoft-confirms-xbox-one-will-only-work-in-21-states-in-the-us-at-launch/

Is that true? Cause if it is, that's fucked up. I was starting to respect Microsoft again.

[Mythonian]

Is that true? Cause if it is, that's fucked up. I was starting to respect Microsoft again.

As Kaz said:

That site is like The Onion of the gaming industry. Lol.

Which means: Don't believe anything they say.

[Graycochea]

Oh, Mkay.

[Blackhawk570]

So it is true dammit

[RaZ Vader]

Is that true? Cause if it is, that's fucked up. I was starting to respect Microsoft again.

I'm 99% sure its not true. Seems pretty ridiculous to be true. Although I do know its only playable in select countries.

[KillerGUNNY132]

This is long, so I apologize in advance for people who hate reading.

One thing I've noticed from all of this is people are refusing to look at this thing objectively. They all have their tinted glasses on. PS4/Sony supporters are treating MS/X1 like Satan and MS/X1 supporters can't seem to understand why people are angry about having the products they buy be restricted. Here's my little rant:

First off, I'm going to address the X1 situation. The ignorance on the part of Microsoft and it's "Fanboys" is unbelievable. They can't seem to grasp the idea that not everyone wants to have their Gaming Consoles "Always Online." Not everyone has a stable internet connection and most times it's not something they can just change with a simple changing of internet providers. People's internet goes out all the time. I know I had a problem about 2 years ago where my internet would just snap off a random times. We called Comcast and they said it's a problem with the line in our neighborhood. It's too old. We asked them to come and replace it but they did not. They said they wouldn't because it would cost too much money and manpower. And it was really only for one customer. So we called the only other internet provider available here, AT&T. They also said we'd experience internet problems because of the line. They also did not offer to fix it for similar reasons. So we were stuck with crappy internet. Not our fault. Not something we could change without moving out of the area. Comcast did eventually come out and change out the lines last summer after they gained more customers in the area, however. But my point still stands. Not everyone is in control of their internet quality. So stop telling people to simply "change providers" because that's not a fucking option for everyone. As much as Microsoft like to think we are, we are not at a point in our world where everyone is connected. That stance is really, really ignorant of them. That, IMO, is their biggest mistake in all this. Not the used games.

Next, the Sony/PS4 side. Everyone's hopping on that bandwagon. Sony has some great fucking PR people and presented their product very well. I will give them that. They easily won E3 in my eyes for that. But, Sony is not the fucking second coming of Jesus Christ. They simply stayed with the status quo while Microsoft took a leap of faith into the future. They seriously just did the opposite of whatever Microsoft did save for PS Plus. What Sony needs to work on is games, exclusive ones at that. They milked Ratchet and Clank for all it's worth and they are doing the same with Killzone and God of War. They need something new. Uncharted was great, and Last of Us is a step in the right direction. They need something interesting and different. Titanfall for X1 is a great example. Losing Metal Gear Solid V and KH3 as exclusives is a big hit and so is losing Insomniac. Sony has the big audience right now. Now they need to keep with with good exclusives. Once again, Last of Us is a great step toward that.

Now for the big Used game debate. First and foremost, I think there's alot of misinformation going around. Not everyone is super informed and it's showing. I'll start with the X1. MS is not banning used game sales or "lending". They are just taking it digital with the 10 family member share thing. They even said they are looking into a digital used game market. So you can still trade/lend, but it's going digital. I think that's MS's goal. They want to become what Steam is. But even Steam has a "Offline Mode", why can't Microsoft do that?. Now with the PS4. They simply kept the status quo and did the smart thing not alienating the non-online audience. Smart marketing.

TLTR version:

What people are failing to do is understand the other sides points. Sony did make great marketing decisions with the PS4, BUT the exclusives are still not on par with the Xbox. Titan fall looks like it's gonna be fucking great and Halo, despite falling a bit recently, is still a juggernaut that sells consoles on it's own. Sony has nothing like that. Losing MGS V and KH3 as exclusives also hurt.

Yes, the X1 is made for the future and the digital market. It'll be remembered as the console that really, truly brought the digital market to the consoles. BUT, MS has done a terrible job presenting that. Seriously, they should clean house in the PR department and bring in new people. They fail to understand that people don't like drastic change. They should have made it gradual. They threw too much at the consumer too fast, and people didn't like it.

This is my opinion, I look forward to others.

(PS: I really fucking hate ignorant people who fail to put themselves in others shoes to truly understand their perspective.)

[Fiery Grave]

First off, I'm going to address the X1 situation. The ignorance on the part of Microsoft and it's "Fanboys" is unbelievable. They can't seem to grasp the idea that not everyone wants to have their Gaming Consoles "Always Online." Not everyone has a stable internet connection and most times it's not something they can just change with a simple changing of internet providers. People's internet goes out all the time. I know I had a problem about 2 years ago where my internet would just snap off a random times. We called Comcast and they said it's a problem with the line in our neighborhood. It's too old. We asked them to come and replace it but they did not. They said they wouldn't because it would cost too much money and manpower. And it was really only for one customer. So we called the only other internet provider available here, AT&T. They also said we'd experience internet problems because of the line. They also did not offer to fix it for similar reasons. So we were stuck with crappy internet. Not our fault. Not something we could change without moving out of the area. Comcast did eventually come out and change out the lines last summer after they gained more customers in the area, however. But my point still stands. Not everyone is in control of their internet quality. So stop telling people to simply "change providers" because that's not a fucking option for everyone. As much as Microsoft like to think we are, we are not at a point in our world where everyone is connected. That stance is really, really ignorant of them. That, IMO, is their biggest mistake in all this. Not the used games.



But you still had internet at least once a day right? it wouldn't go out for days at a time? (which from recent poles most of the world has except poor areas that probably wouldn't have many xbox's)

You don't have to be always online... once every 24 hrs it will check your license and refresh them so they last another 24 hrs and you can be offline all you want during that 24 hrs. This has been discussed many times on this thread.. your complaining about ignorance don't be ignorant yourself.

Steam can have a pure offline mode because when you buy a game... you can't sell it, you can't lend it to someone... there is no physical medium... they don't have to worry about people sharing and having 50 people playing off one purchase of the game

Also fun fact... in recent internet surveys the USA has some of the worst internet in the world... you generally are charged more for a worse service and have more reliability issues compared to most countries... And Im sure every american can connect (at the very least through a phone which will work with X1) to the internet once a day for 5 mins

[KillerGUNNY132]

But you still had internet at least once a day right? it wouldn't go out for days at a time? (which from recent poles most of the world has except poor areas that probably wouldn't have many xbox's)

You don't have to be always online... once every 24 hrs it will check your license and refresh them so they last another 24 hrs and you can be offline all you want during that 24 hrs. This has been discussed many times on this thread.. your complaining about ignorance don't be ignorant yourself.

Steam can have a pure offline mode because when you buy a game... you can't sell it, you can't lend it to someone... there is no physical medium... they don't have to worry about people sharing and having 50 people playing off one purchase of the game

Also fun fact... in recent internet surveys the USA has some of the worst internet in the world... you generally are charged more for a worse service and have more reliability issues compared to most countries... And Im sure every american can connect (at the very least through a phone which will work with X1) to the internet once a day for 5 mins

I'm well aware of how the X1 connectivity works. I was using the "Always Online" term because that's what it's being called in the majority of places. I'm aware you only need to check in once a day.

As far as my old internet situation was concerned, it was sporadic. Sometimes it would go out for 10 minutes, sometimes a few hours, and a select few times it did go out and not come back on for a day or so. It was quite annoying. I'm thankful they finally fixed it last year.

All I'm saying is that people on the X1 side seem to not understand why the features of the X1 would turn people off. Not everyone wants to game online and "check in" every day. A former Gamestop employee recently made a Youtube video talking about the X1 situation. And he thought it was a bad move on MS's part. Mainly because everyday he would get about 10 people ask him the same question when buying games. "Do I need to be online to play game?" "Do I need to to buy a ethernet cable to make this work?" He would get this from gamers of all ages. Not just little kids or parents who don't understand anything about gaming.

Here's a fact I find interesting. As of February 2013, there have been 76 Million Xbox 360's sold. As of April 2013, there are 46 Million Xbox Live members. Now of course take into account homes who have multiple Xbox's, replacements, and second accounts. That's about 30-35 million people who don't use the online service. They are alienating that crowd and I don't think it's a good idea.

Now just to make sure it's not confused, I DO LIKE where MS is going with the X1. Becoming a service similar to Steam is a great move. All media is moving into the Digital and online age, MS is simply preparing for that. But IMO their mistake was trying to force this much onto the general conusmers so fast like this. From an outside viewpoint, it looks like they're putting alot of restrictions on their product and are telling people how to play the products they've purchased and now own.

For the record, I am purchasing a Xbox One this fall. I'm actually looking into different bundles right now and deciding where to pre-order from. My decision was based on games and games alone. I like the X1's selection better. None of the other "features" of the X1 affect me because I now have a stable internet and mostly buy my games new. But I can understand why others are frustrated with MS's decisions so far.

[Juggernaut9473]

I'm looking at the RYSE bundle myself

[IX Dr Doom XI]

Also fun fact... in recent internet surveys the USA has some of the worst internet in the world... you generally are charged more for a worse service and have more reliability issues compared to most countries... And Im sure every american can connect (at the very least through a phone which will work with X1) to the internet once a day for 5 mins

Don't alot of cellphone companies charge for that?

[RaZ Vader]

Just a fun fact. Sony will eventually be like steam as well. Both systems will be like that eventually IMO.

Future of Gaming.

[KazuhLLL]

Just a fun fact. Sony will eventually be like steam as well. Both systems will be like that eventually IMO.

Future of Gaming.

I don't see that happening on the Sony side until the console after the PS4. Because to be like Steam you absolutely have to kill (or at least maim) the used game market as well as game rentals. I don't think they'd do that in the middle of a console's life cycle.

Just like with Microsoft's pay-to-play online, Sony's basically just letting MS go first and get all the bad press, but Sony themselves won't follow until it's the norm.

The PS4 is the play-it-safe console, for both Sony and the consumer (us). If you want to be guaranteed to get a good console, the PS4 is a great choice. The Xbox One, on the other hand, is more of a hope than a guarantee. If Microsoft's vision for the future fails, then the X1 will be a slightly worse console. But if it succeeds, it has the potential to be the far better one.


Anyway, it's like Gunny said. As gamers is should be the games that influence our choice the most. On the Sony stage, The Order looked fantastic, and Infamous looked pretty good. But on the Microsoft stage, I had Dead Rising, Killer Instinct, Project Spark, Sunset Overdrive, Titanfall, and obviously Halo calling my name. My choice was clear from the get-go.

[Fiery Grave]

I'm well aware of how the X1 connectivity works. I was using the "Always Online" term because that's what it's being called in the majority of places. I'm aware you only need to check in once a day.

As far as my old internet situation was concerned, it was sporadic. Sometimes it would go out for 10 minutes, sometimes a few hours, and a select few times it did go out and not come back on for a day or so. It was quite annoying. I'm thankful they finally fixed it last year.

All I'm saying is that people on the X1 side seem to not understand why the features of the X1 would turn people off. Not everyone wants to game online and "check in" every day. A former Gamestop employee recently made a Youtube video talking about the X1 situation. And he thought it was a bad move on MS's part. Mainly because everyday he would get about 10 people ask him the same question when buying games. "Do I need to be online to play game?" "Do I need to to buy a ethernet cable to make this work?" He would get this from gamers of all ages. Not just little kids or parents who don't understand anything about gaming.

Here's a fact I find interesting. As of February 2013, there have been 76 Million Xbox 360's sold. As of April 2013, there are 46 Million Xbox Live members. Now of course take into account homes who have multiple Xbox's, replacements, and second accounts. That's about 30-35 million people who don't use the online service. They are alienating that crowd and I don't think it's a good idea.

Now just to make sure it's not confused, I DO LIKE where MS is going with the X1. Becoming a service similar to Steam is a great move. All media is moving into the Digital and online age, MS is simply preparing for that. But IMO their mistake was trying to force this much onto the general conusmers so fast like this. From an outside viewpoint, it looks like they're putting alot of restrictions on their product and are telling people how to play the products they've purchased and now own.

For the record, I am purchasing a Xbox One this fall. I'm actually looking into different bundles right now and deciding where to pre-order from. My decision was based on games and games alone. I like the X1's selection better. None of the other "features" of the X1 affect me because I now have a stable internet and mostly buy my games new. But I can understand why others are frustrated with MS's decisions so far.

How else do you expect them to be able to transition to a completely digital market? this is not a big step its one small thing thats being cause by them not just being like "were all digital now" and killing used games completely.

I also dont see all these restrictions you see... I only see the connect to the internet thing as a restriction, but a necessary one.

Also that is 46 million GOLD subscribers it does not count silver.

I can see why it might be a problem for some people who dont... you know HAVE internet... but thats not a large population of the world anymore. And its not like they are killing off the Xbox 360 like sony is doing with the PS3... they plan to support it and have games for it over the next 5 years


Don't alot of cellphone companies charge for that?

they charge for data yes but most cellphone plans now come with a data plan in general... if you check FB or your email on your cell you can connect it to your xbox and download your licences through there.


Just a fun fact. Sony will eventually be like steam as well. Both systems will be like that eventually IMO.

Future of Gaming.

Maybe on their next console in 4 or 5 years (dont expect the PS4 to last as long as the PS3 did) but sony has made a very short term console this time

[bazongaman502]

CDs are dying. Everything is going digital. Im gonna buy the Xbox One with only the console, Kinect and a controller. Ill buy everything digitally here on out. Im tired of having disks everywhere.

[RaZ Vader]

How is PS4 short term? I see 2 identical consoles with different polices/Prices & Games.

[Guzzie]

A former Gamestop employee recently made a Youtube video talking about the X1 situation. And he thought it was a bad move on MS's part. Mainly because everyday he would get about 10 people ask him the same question when buying games. "Do I need to be online to play game?" "Do I need to to buy a ethernet cable to make this work?" He would get this from gamers of all ages. Not just little kids or parents who don't understand anything about gaming.
I hope you realize that a large portion of GameStop's revenue comes from the used games market (http://www.joystiq.com/2009/01/23/gamestop-used-games-revenue-estimated-to-be-2-billion/). It does not surprise me in the least to see a "Gamestop employee" disapprove of Microsoft and their new policies involving the Xbox One. In one way, Microsoft has become an enemy of Gamestop and other companies that profit in the same way.
Which brings me to my next point: People are accusing Microsoft of forgetting about the gamers, or screwing the gaming community, when in fact, Gamestop puts their hand into your pockets on a daily basis. You pay 60 dollars for a game and they give you 10 dollars for that exact same game some time later. They then turn around and sell that game you just sold them for 40 dollars. This happens on a daily basis, and people seem to be content with it. I refuse to sell my games to Gamestop, I would much rather they stay in my bookcase collecting dust than to support such a corrupt business scheme.

[KazuhLLL]

I refuse to sell my games to Gamestop, I would much rather they stay in my bookcase collecting dust than to support such a corrupt business scheme.

Same. When I got a 360 I wanted to get the Guitar Hero instrument + game bundle. My PS2 had broken so I went ahead and sold all my games for it. I managed to get a whopping ~$90 for about 30-35 games, which is absolutely ridiculous. Even if they resold every single one for $10, they'd be making over three times what they game me for it. I haven't traded a game in since.

[Blackhawk570]

How is PS4 short term? I see 2 identical consoles with different polices/Prices & Games.

Then you haven't read much about the X1 and PS4

[RaZ Vader]

Then you haven't read much about the X1 and PS4

From what I read... There isn't much of a difference. Care to outline them? Besides polices/prices/games and certain features I know of that I don't care for. Lol.

[xXReiBearXx]

So I notice people still talking about this lol Can we just end it with everyone Buy the console you want to buy? That sounds like the best response lol

P.S. Bazonga....make up smex?

[Fiery Grave]

How is PS4 short term? I see 2 identical consoles with different polices/Prices & Games.

because in about 4 years the console will be incredibly out of date, it has no room for improvement... Sony has repeatedly stated how much they dislike how long the current generation has been going on for.

right now its about the same as an average gaming PC... but because its a console it will preform at about the equivalent of a high end gaming PC... but with the xbox's remote processing it could get better over time... and microsoft has the money to throw at this. Theoretically this is the last console microsoft ever needs to build.

[KazuhLLL]

How is PS4 short term? I see 2 identical consoles with different polices/Prices & Games.

PS3 -> PS4
Was literally only a hardware upgrade, with the added "bonus" of having to pay for online multiplayer; something that's been a huge selling point of the PS3 for years.
(Well, I imagine software has been updated as well, but it doesn't seem to have actually changed anything.)


Xbox 360 -> Xbox One
Was slightly less of a hardware upgrade, but they made some pretty big improvements in their Xbox Live service.
Software updates enabling true multitasking on the X1, with their "snap-mode" and quick-switching apps, video, and games.
They have set up their "cloud" systems for the developers to (hopefully) use to its best potential. Sony has come out and said "of course we can do cloud computing" but in reality they have no framework to build off of and the costs of creating such a network they've left in the hands of the developers/publishers, which they're not likely to do. Granted, we have no guarantee on how much the cloud can or will expand the evolution of the X1, but at least there is somewhere to go, unlike the PS4.
They've also bundled the Kinect, giving more developers a HUGE incentive to start creating and expanding that technology unlike ever before. Third party developers won't be too eager to make games for the Playstation Eye because doing so would immediately shrink the number of people they can sell the game to probably much less than half of PS4 owners.
They've improved Matchmaking significantly, allowing for people to set preferences to search by specific skills, age, language, or DLC.
Reputation actually matters now. The system will try to match people by reputation, so if you're a polite, rule-following user you'll be much less likely to run into the lag-switching, trash-talking people. Bad apples will instead match with other bad apples.
Achievements are now more dynamic, allowing the developers to create new ones in reaction to player feedback. They can also add new achievements without making people download a DLC or title update, unlike now. Having them hosted in the cloud also makes it so that Achievements can be unlocked through a community effort. If 343i wanted to make an Achievement for 1,000,000 Matchmaking kills in Halo 5 they could do so, and only the people who contributed to the kill count would unlock the achievement. (Time-based achievements won't contribute to Gamerscore, for fairness' sake).
They've also started the move towards digital distribution. Sony can obviously distribute digitally as well, but unlike them, Microsoft has actually made steps to ditch the discs completely. Because of this, it's actually possible we will see a true Steam-like system with the Xbox One. Something that we're very unlikely to see with the PS4.




And Reibear, this is quite possibly the longest thread I've ever seen in FC that's remained (generally) calm and productive throughout. If you don't want to talk about it, then simply don't. But that doesn't mean everyone else should stop. :P

[Blackhawk570]

From what I read... There isn't much of a difference. Care to outline them? Besides polices/prices/games and certain features I know of that I don't care for. Lol.

1. Computing Cloud this feature allows servers to take some of the graphical, computer, and physics use by using the cloud. This can also be up-gradable which excludes of buying a new console to get better graphics for a game.

2. Tv Integration. It is going to happen with the next PS next gen or they will be really be nothing more than a gaming console which everything is now becoming multimedia.

3. Digital downloads (Steam Like) this cannot happen with current PS4 because you can potentially share all of your games without a DRM by going in offline mode. This allows game publishers to make the most out of their money without producing physical products. This also allows them to easily discount their items because everything is digitally and potentially you are creating virtual licenses which costs no money. I will still be buying hard copies unless there are super cheap sales like steam.

[Guzzie]

Can someone either post a specs comparison between the Xbox One and PS4, or link me to a site that has done it. I have heard that the PS4 is slightly better (specs wise), but I want to see how it is so. If this has been posted already I apologize, but looking through 30 so pages of posts is not my idea of fun. Thanks in advance.

[Anarchy]

http://www.emirates247.com/business/technology/microsoft-xbox-one-vs-sony-ps4-vs-nintendo-wii-u-head-to-head-on-specs-prices-availability-2013-06-11-1.509965

The PS4 has GDDR5 RAM, as opposed to the XONE's DDR3, which is significantly more up to date. DDR3 is already in PCs right now, so that may be outdated soon.

Though they're about the same everywhere else.

[Blackhawk570]

Yup PS4 specs are better but they dont have the computing cloud

[Asseroya]

Tsssk. Microsoft has a couple aces up their sleeve, I mean they know what they are doing. I´d choose the Xbox One.

[Fiery Grave]

http://www.emirates247.com/business/technology/microsoft-xbox-one-vs-sony-ps4-vs-nintendo-wii-u-head-to-head-on-specs-prices-availability-2013-06-11-1.509965

The PS4 has GDDR5 RAM, as opposed to the XONE's DDR3, which is significantly more up to date. DDR3 is already in PCs right now, so that may be outdated soon.

Though they're about the same everywhere else.

Its because processors are unable to handle GDDR5 ram properly its kinda of a waste of money to even use it right now... GDDR3 is fine and can compensate with having more RAM... GDDR5 is slightly faster access... but its hardly noticeable unless your doing some serious computing (like a rendering farm may be able to cut a day out of their rendering time).

All high end computers even stuff in professional development use GDDR3 right now. Essentially in the box they are identical.
though for the cloud they said their would be the equivalent of 3 consoles for every 1 console sold... how accurate that is? it is iffy but still even the equivalent of a second console would be great.

whats next in gaming im guessing that when your consoles is "off" it uses its unused processing power to help other games across the world on their system. or be used for like cancer research and help their computers be more powerful. This of course would require internet companies to fuck off with bandwidth limits like they have in most countries outside of NA

[bazongaman502]

First year, the PS4 will probably be the best. But after that, Xbox One will take over with no problem because it can update without needing to upgrade the system yourself or sending it to Sony.

And Rei, im always down for dat ;)

[zZ Dr K Zz]

"Xbox One demos that were available at E3 were running on systems three times faster than the Xbox One. Microsoft doesn't see the problem."

[Blackhawk570]

"Xbox One demos that were available at E3 were running on systems three times faster than the Xbox One. Microsoft doesn't see the problem."

What does that have to do with the system itself?

[Fiery Grave]

"Xbox One demos that were available at E3 were running on systems three times faster than the Xbox One. Microsoft doesn't see the problem."

3 things to think about...
1. I doubt anything not running on current gen systems was running on PC's including PS4 stuff. Its cheaper easier and faster to just have a PC than individually making a bunch of xbox 1's for the show (since they are not being mass produced yet)

2. These games are not complete in any form. This also means they are not optimized yet mean they waste a lot of processing power.

3. This comes from an image where someone saw PC sitting under the booths and guessed what the specs are of the PC's... 3 times more powerful PC's would be 32 gb ram, 32 core processors (i doubt they have these), and Top of the line (1000$+) graphics cards that are not available to mass users yet...

It along with a lot of what you hear lately are exaggerated... its really not a big deal...

[zZ Dr K Zz]

I know, I was just bored of the previous conversation.

Although at least all of the PS4 games were running on the Dev Kits themselves.

[zZ Dr K Zz]

You have to pick one game to represent the Xbox 360 generation. What is it?

For me, it's definitely Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare. That will be one of the games I'll always remember having a blast playing. Say what you will, it was THE influential game of the generation and defined the modern business structure.

[Maxdoggy]

I would just like to remind everyone that Microsoft said that you'll be able to do your "24-hour check-in" via a mobile phone. They are working on the tech right now and hope to have it at launch.

[KazuhLLL]

You have to pick one game to represent the Xbox 360 generation. What is it?

For me, it definitely has to be Halo 3.

[KillerGUNNY132]

You have to pick one game to represent the Xbox 360 generation. What is it?


Halo 3 easily.

[Juggernaut9473]

For me, it definitely has to be Halo 3.


Halo 3 easily.

I can't add anything to this conversation

[MedeDust]

Viva Piñata.

[Fiery Grave]

Viva Piñata.
DOAX2 best game ever

but seriousness... bioshock... we have an entire sub culture pretty much solely because of this game... steam punk

[Anarchy]

You have to pick one game to represent the Xbox 360 generation. What is it?

For me, it's definitely Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare. That will be one of the games I'll always remember having a blast playing. Say what you will, it was THE influential game of the generation and defined the modern business structure.
Halo 3 and CoD 4

The 2-3 years worth of arguments over which was the top dog itself defines the generation.

[Graycochea]

bioshock... we have an entire sub culture pretty much solely because of this game... steam punk

Um, what?

1. Steampunk has been around a lot longer than Bioshock.

2. Bioshock didn't seem all that steampunk to me. I didn't get very far though.

3. Which Bioshock are we talking about? Infinite seemed a little Steampunky to me, I guess.

[Spartanbh]

Microsoft admits the Xbox One is a failure already:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embe dded&v=46yBdG6cicA

[Fiery Grave]

Um, what?

1. Steampunk has been around a lot longer than Bioshock.

2. Bioshock didn't seem all that steampunk to me. I didn't get very far though.

3. Which Bioshock are we talking about? Infinite seemed a little Steampunky to me, I guess.

1. It has.. Bioshock was a lot of the reason it popular today

2. it is... i dont see how it isn't with people and the old tech new tech mix in old fashion styles.

3. the first one


Microsoft admits the Xbox One is a failure already:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embe dded&v=46yBdG6cicA

I watched the whole thing

[Graycochea]

1. It has.. Bioshock was a lot of the reason it popular today

2. it is... i dont see how it isn't with people and the old tech new tech mix in old fashion styles.

3. the first one

1. Oh, I didn't notice because I liked the idea of a steampunk world long before Bioshock.

2. It isn't. Steampunk = steam powered. Steampunk =/= anachronistic non-steam powered technology. If all the tech in Bioshock ran off of the use of Steam as fuel, then it would be steampunk. I'd categorize Bioshock as simply "futuristic".

3. Oh, ok.

[VerbotenDonkey]

Yeaah... not sure if troll but Steampunk had little to do with Bioshock. O.o It was set in the Fifties/Sixties in the first two lol.

[Graycochea]

Yeaah... not sure if troll but Steampunk had little to do with Bioshock. O.o It was set in the Fifties/Sixties in the first two lol.

Thank you. :banana:

[ThatAwkardGuy]

Microsoft admits the Xbox One is a failure already:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embe dded&v=46yBdG6cicA

I will never click on a 3:33 video. I know your deception.

[SuRroundeD By 1]

Will the real Mythonian please stand up?

No, seriously bud I need you . . .

I've heard a lot about the cloud (X1), but I'm not sure how much it will actually do for us. Someone on the EA forums posted a link to Wikipedia about Cloud gaming (which has been around for a while apparently) and supposedly, it's going to help very little in terms of game performance. The cloud can do all computing which doesn't need to be instantly available to the gamer, but that means that things like graphics, or gameplay that has to be always updated and displayed to us, won't be helped by the cloud at all. And I can't see it improving anything that the hardware is supposed to do for us.

Myth, what's the truth about cloud?

[KazuhLLL]

I've heard a lot about the cloud (X1), but I'm not sure how much it will actually do for us. Someone on the EA forums posted a link to Wikipedia about Cloud gaming (which has been around for a while apparently) and supposedly, it's going to help very little in terms of game performance. The cloud can do all computing which doesn't need to be instantly available to the gamer, but that means that things like graphics, or gameplay that has to be always updated and displayed to us, won't be helped by the cloud at all. And I can't see it improving anything that the hardware is supposed to do for us.

The cloud definitely cannot improve graphics directly, because of latency issues. But by offloading time-insensitive aspects of a game such as lighting, render-distance fog, physics modeling, fluid dynamics, and cloth motion it will be possible to free up enough local memory to improve graphics and game performance. So while it cannot improve graphics directly, it can (theoretically) improve them in an indirect fashion.

[bazongaman502]

The cloud definitely cannot improve graphics directly, because of latency issues. But by offloading time-insensitive aspects of a game such as lighting, render-distance fog, physics modeling, fluid dynamics, and cloth motion it will be possible to free up enough local memory to improve graphics and game performance. So while it cannot improve graphics directly, it can (theoretically) improve them in an indirect fashion.

^ Exactly. Its will basically change the "little things" rather than the "big things". Still an Improvement no matter what.

[KazuhLLL]

"Xbox One demos that were available at E3 were running on systems three times faster than the Xbox One. Microsoft doesn't see the problem."


I know, I was just bored of the previous conversation.

Although at least all of the PS4 games were running on the Dev Kits themselves.

I don't know where you got that from. There was literally only one game not running on an X1 dev kit. And that was an arcade game by the name of LocoCycle.

http://www.forzacentral.com/forum/threads/xbox-one-games-did-not-run-on-high-end-pcs-at-e3.39428/

[bazongaman502]

People just look for reasons to hate :/

[IX Dr Doom XI]

People just look for reasons to hate :/

http://1-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/tg/image/1350/67/1350679896202.jpg

[Graycochea]

People just look for reasons to hate :/

Man, I love hating! It's my favorite thing ever... of all time. Jk, X1 rules. It's uber cool. :cool::thumbs up::party:


http://1-media-cdn.foolz.us/ffuuka/board/tg/image/1350/67/1350679896202.jpg

There are some things in this world that the human psyche wasn't meant to handle...

[IX Dr Doom XI]

There are some things in this world that the human psyche wasn't meant to handle...

Like 4chan? lol

But if they do allow you to connect online through your phone to do the check in ill get the xbox one other then that the ps4 has me sold.

[Graycochea]

Like 4chan? lol

But if they do allow you to connect online through your phone to do the check in ill get the xbox one other then that the ps4 has me sold.

I hope that's true. That would make the whole check in deal much better.

[Maxdoggy]

I hope that's true. That would make the whole check in deal much better.

http://www.videogamer.com/news/xbox_one_24-hour_check-in_using_mobile_phone_use s_kilobytes_of_data_says_ harrison.html

It appears to be true (just found the link).

[MedeDust]

Xbox is regaining its customers by blowing their fucking minds instead of blowing their dicks like sony.

[KazuhLLL]

Xbox is regaining its customers by blowing their fucking minds instead of blowing their dicks like sony.

That's perfect xD

[zZ Dr K Zz]

Well if we can do it by phone, can we check-in via PC? Xbox.com could actually become useful.

[Blackhawk570]

I don't know where you got that from. There was literally only one game not running on an X1 dev kit. And that was an arcade game by the name of LocoCycle.

http://www.forzacentral.com/forum/threads/xbox-one-games-did-not-run-on-high-end-pcs-at-e3.39428/
BF4 was ran on pc not the x1 during microsoft's conference.

[Maxdoggy]

Well if we can do it by phone, can we check-in via PC? Xbox.com could actually become useful.

Hopefully, but I bet Microsoft will make that check-in app Windows Phone 8-only or a paid app.

Because Money.

[Guzzie]

Hopefully, but I bet Microsoft will make that check-in app Windows Phone 8-only or a paid app.

Because Money.
This or they could implement it to the current smartglass. As it is right now, smartglass is pretty much useless for me. "Checking in" using the app would give it some relevance.

[RaZ Vader]

Idk if this is similar to the X1 check ins. But can you download games from your phone and send it to your X1? I know you can do that with the ps4

[Maxdoggy]

Idk if this is similar to the X1 check ins. But can you download games from your phone and send it to your X1? I know you can do that with the ps4


Xbox.com allows you to do that, yes. Xbox has been able to do that for years before the PS3 recently caught on to it.

[Fiery Grave]

Well if we can do it by phone, can we check-in via PC? Xbox.com could actually become useful.

Wait if you can connect with a PC why can't you connect with your console?

and they mean actually hooking your phone up to your consoles and downloading it that way... obviously you cannot play games on that connection but you can check in


PS. Max i was reading the comments on that link with the mobile phone tethering... And people "dont understand the need for 24 hr check ins" they don't get that everyone could have an "offline" console with all their single player games installed and all their friends games installed and then trade them in but keep the game.

This seems to be the masses reasoning and it makes me sad.... they think it so they can put ad's and see what you have been doing... more of the spying on you crap.... like why are people so paranoid the government already reads your e-mails texts and listens to your phone records....

[RaZ Vader]

Xbox.com allows you to do that, yes. Xbox has been able to do that for years before the PS3 recently caught on to it.

Well. I wish i knew these things lol

[Maxdoggy]

Well. I wish i knew these things lol

Lolfail indeed. I've been pushing downloads from Xbox.com for years and when I come home after being away, I just turn on my Xbox and do other things so it can start downloading. With the X1, I can just push it from Xbox.com and it'll be downloaded by the time I get home from work, for example.

[RaZ Vader]

Lolfail indeed. I've been pushing downloads from Xbox.com for years and when I come home after being away, I just turn on my Xbox and do other things so it can start downloading. With the X1, I can just push it from Xbox.com and it'll be downloaded by the time I get home from work, for example.

Ah now here is a more detailed question. If I decide to send a download to my ps4. Will it download in the background and be ready to go when I turn it on? Or vise versa with the X1?

[Fiery Grave]

Ah now here is a more detailed question. If I decide to send a download to my ps4. Will it download in the background and be ready to go when I turn it on? Or vise versa with the X1?

the X1 I believe it will be downloaded and ready when you turn it on but i dont think there have been sources for this yet...

The PS4 its not as big of deal because they have the streaming while it downloads (which makes me wonder if you play through the game too fats do you still have to wait?)

[Maxdoggy]

the X1 I believe it will be downloaded and ready when you turn it on but i dont think there have been sources for this yet...

The PS4 its not as big of deal because they have the streaming while it downloads (which makes me wonder if you play through the game too fats do you still have to wait?)

The X1 and PS4 have streaming -but for different situations. The X1 can install games via disc and allow you to play them while they are installing. The PS4 streams like Fiery said.

And RaZ, idk if PS4 has an "always online" option to allow for those downloads to be pushed to your box (parallelogram).

[xXReiBearXx]

And Reibear, this is quite possibly the longest thread I've ever seen in FC that's remained (generally) calm and productive throughout. If you don't want to talk about it, then simply don't. But that doesn't mean everyone else should stop. :P

Oh I am so sorry oh mighty god of the threads. I just assumed that since everyone is mainly just repeating themselves that the topic would have ended. Also I posted that because it had appeared people were still going back in forth... _|_(>_<)

[zZ Dr K Zz]

Wait if you can connect with a PC why can't you connect with your console?

For situations where I may not have internet, but my friends do and I can just have them sign into my account and such so I can keep playing.

Stuff like that.

[Fiery Grave]

For situations where I may not have internet, but my friends do and I can just have them sign into my account and such so I can keep playing.

Stuff like that.

no its Updating the console so that it knows what it is allowed to play... when using your phone you tether it (meaning your phone acts as the wireless router) and the console connects to it and gets the license info

using xbox.com would do nothing since its not accessing the console... Its not you checking in with xbox.. its xbox telling your console what games you own and are allowed to play

[Platinum]

Yo. There is a sub reddit (http://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/) dedicated to the X1. It has a lot of sources and facts that anyone (buyers of either the X1 or the PS4) should check out.

Here is their wiki (http://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/wiki/index) about the X1. Also, un-related but did anyone catch this (http://www.vgleaks.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/crackdown-3-600x410.jpg)?

[zZ Dr K Zz]

no its Updating the console so that it knows what it is allowed to play... when using your phone you tether it (meaning your phone acts as the wireless router) and the console connects to it and gets the license info

using xbox.com would do nothing since its not accessing the console... Its not you checking in with xbox.. its xbox telling your console what games you own and are allowed to play
Ah, gotcha. Wouldn't it be possible to do it via laptops then?

[Juggernaut9473]

If it can do wireless I don't see why not

[Fiery Grave]

this (http://www.vgleaks.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/05/crackdown-3-600x410.jpg)?
Daquf is that? is that portal?

Ah, gotcha. Wouldn't it be possible to do it via laptops then?

depends on your laptops capabilities... not every laptop has the ability to transmit wireless information just receive

[Maxdoggy]

Daquf is that? is that portal?



If you read the link name, it says Crackdown 3. That image is an agility orb from Crackdown. I think it was talked about earlier on in this thread or in the leaked E3 lineup, but MS didn't talk about it.

http://www.oxm.co.uk/56528/crackdown-3-will-happen-given-the-right-team-and-time-says-spencer/

[zZ Dr K Zz]

I loved the first Crackdown, but didn't make it past the demo for the 2nd one. IT was so boring....

Surprisingly, i'm interested in a third one.

[Maxdoggy]

Rumor: Giant Bomb and Hi-Fi have both reported, separately, that the Xbox One will make an about-face on their DRM policies and digital policies.

http://www.xbox360achievements.o rg/news/news-15306-Rumour--Microsoft-to-Reverse-Xbox-One-DRM-Policies.html?utm_source= dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

I, for one, am sad that Microsoft won't be pushing the envelope for an all-digital future like Steam, but I guess the Xbox One will get all of the trolls back on our side?? :/

I want innovation, dammit! Not just a new box with better graphics.



What do you think, FC?

[zZ Dr K Zz]

Woo! I'm all for this now! Me and my friend can send games back and fourth again! :D

It can still be Steam-ish.

[Maxdoggy]

The Internet Trolls are claiming victory now on Kotaku. And now they'll troll more often because they get a sliver of a rumor that Xbox will be changing it's policies.

As one of the Kotaku editors posted one Twitter: "Xbox One. One input, 4000 policies."

[zZ Dr K Zz]

As one of the Kotaku editors posted one Twitter: "Xbox One. One input, 4000 policies."
Blah, that one is ok.

Despite the new rumor, I'm still partly on the fence. If Quantum Break doesn't get a PC release then I'll be getting an Xbox One.

[WM Feedback]

Official now. Not rumor

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update

[bazongaman502]

Damn, I wanted all of the dumbass trolls off of my console and have them ruin the PS4 :(

[fearfulpenguin]

HOT OFF THE PRESSES GUYS!!!!!

if all of this is true this will be a HUGE GAMECHANGER!!!

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update

[RetRdidMunkie]

...and now it appeals to me.

[bazongaman502]

HOT OFF THE PRESSES GUYS!!!!!

if all of this is true this will be a HUGE GAMECHANGER!!!

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update

you're like 40 minutes late lol

[fearfulpenguin]

you're like 40 minutes late lol

idk but what you said reminded me of this :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f_DPrSEOEo

[bazongaman502]

idk but what you said reminded me of this :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-f_DPrSEOEo

If you scroll up, you would see Max already posted about it. Also ironically, that's on TV right now XD great movie

[Maxdoggy]

I don't know about you guys, but I'm pissed.

Because of the freaking trolls who bitched and moaned - and weren't going to purchase the X1 in the first place - the Xbox One is now just an Xbox 360 II and isn't an innovative machine.

http://kotaku.com/surprise-xbox-one-drm-reversal-requires-day-one-patch-514419715?rev=1371676969&utm_campaign=Socialflow_K otaku_Twitter&utm_source=Kotaku_Twitter&utm_medium=Socialflow

Now I can't have my family sharing plan so that my Dad can play the same games I'm playing when I'm done with them at college without having to go home and give him the disc. And if I wanted to play it again, I would have to go home again instead of just booting it up on my X1.

I wanted an innovative console for the future, not another rehash like the PS4.


[Insert long line of expletives here.]


[Also what Bazonga said about trolls.]

[Graycochea]

Dude, that kinda sucks. I've been reworking my neural pathways to accept the Xbox One. I'm ready for it now. Then, they go changing it. So is there no "family" thing? No playing games after installation without a disc? This is changing the features of the console and I barely understood what it did before this announcement.

- - - Updated - - -


I don't know about you guys, but I'm pissed.

Because of the freaking trolls who bitched and moaned - and weren't going to purchase the X1 in the first place - the Xbox One is now just an Xbox 360 II and isn't an innovative machine.

http://kotaku.com/surprise-xbox-one-drm-reversal-requires-day-one-patch-514419715?rev=1371676969&utm_campaign=Socialflow_K otaku_Twitter&utm_source=Kotaku_Twitter&utm_medium=Socialflow

Now I can't have my family sharing plan so that my Dad can play the same games I'm playing when I'm done with them at college without having to go home and give him the disc. And if I wanted to play it again, I would have to go home again instead of just booting it up on my X1.

I wanted an innovative console for the future, not another rehash like the PS4.


[Insert long line of expletives here.]


[Also what Bazonga said about trolls.]

^^ This, except the part about his dad.

[Dos Eggys]

First off, for the title; link (http://instantcsi.com/).

Secondly, Microsoft just announced that they are reversing several if not all the controversial issues regarding the XBOX One's DRM.

Here's the link (http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update) to the official announcement.

Enjoy.

[Graycochea]

And couldn't we just forgo installing that update?

[Graycochea]

This has already been mentioned.

[Dos Eggys]

This has already been mentioned.
​Where?

[Maxdoggy]

And couldn't we just forgo installing that update?

That's what I'm hoping. I REALLY hope that's an option.


Also, threads merged. You're welcome.

[Dos Eggys]

That's what I'm hoping. I REALLY hope that's an option.


Also, threads merged. You're welcome.
I made it a seperate thread for both visibility and because I don't feel it pertains to an X1 vs PS4. I'm not buying a PS4 so I don't need to compare it. I felt it mainly pertained to the X1 so I put it in the X1 forum.

[Maxdoggy]

I made it a seperate thread for both visibility and because I don't feel it pertains to an X1 vs PS4. I'm not buying a PS4 so I don't need to compare it.

Because it was already posted in this thread, we would have had two different conversations about the same thing. Hence why I merged the threads to streamline the discussion. If it wasn't posted here yet, I would have defaulted to your thread.

[Ominous Solace]

As of today Microsoft has finally thrown in the towel and has fallen to the gamers. This article from IGN has more details about Microsoft doing a complete 180 when it comes to the "Always Online", Used Game Polices and more.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/19/microsoft-reversing-xbox-one-internet-used-game-policies

Enjoy.

~Ominous Solace

[Maxdoggy]

Merging thread....

Thread merged.

Please search before making a new thread.


Thanks!

-FC Management

[KazuhLLL]

I don't know about you guys, but I'm pissed.

Because of the freaking trolls who bitched and moaned - and weren't going to purchase the X1 in the first place - the Xbox One is now just an Xbox 360 II and isn't an innovative machine.

http://kotaku.com/surprise-xbox-one-drm-reversal-requires-day-one-patch-514419715?rev=1371676969&utm_campaign=Socialflow_K otaku_Twitter&utm_source=Kotaku_Twitter&utm_medium=Socialflow

Now I can't have my family sharing plan so that my Dad can play the same games I'm playing when I'm done with them at college without having to go home and give him the disc. And if I wanted to play it again, I would have to go home again instead of just booting it up on my X1.

I wanted an innovative console for the future, not another rehash like the PS4.


[Insert long line of expletives here.]


[Also what Bazonga said about trolls.]

Same. Sometimes I hate the Internet.

I don't know about anyone else, but in my eyes doing this has made the X1 less appealing compared to the PS4.

[Dos Eggys]

Merging thread....

Thread merged.

Please search before making a new thread.


Thanks!

-FC Management
You see why I made a thread in the X1 forums?

[bazongaman502]

You see why I made a thread in the X1 forums?

Like Max said, because it was mentioned here already, it was merged.

[Dos Eggys]

Like Max said, because it was mentioned here already, it was merged.
Yes, but how many people will look at this 38 page long thread for some info that could cause them to buy or not buy the X1? I posted in the Xbox One forum so anybody could go into the X1 forum and see the info they want to see.

[bazongaman502]

Yes, but how many people will look at this 38 page long thread for some info that could cause them to buy or not buy the X1? I posted in the Xbox One forum so anybody could go into the X1 forum and see the info they want to see.

Not many people go to the first page of this every time though. Most click on it and it sends them to the most recent post.

[IX Dr Doom XI]

Same. Sometimes I hate the Internet.

I don't know about anyone else, but in my eyes doing this has made the X1 less appealing compared to the PS4.

Nope, the only thing I see is that Microsoft wised up, granted I would of been fine with them allowing us to do the 24 hr check in via phone, they saw that if they went in the direction that they would lose a large chunk of they're consumer market due to all those restrictions they throwing at us so quickly. I don't see it being wrong if they ease us into it later on in the x1's cycle but overall they made the right call.

[Dos Eggys]

I still don't see why it had to be merged since it was some big news for the Xbox One. I even used the official Microsoft link.

This thread itself is going to drag on for months until some time after both consoles are released. This info is going to be buried. I just want everyone to have the details they want. The biggest outcry has been the DRM so I wanted a visible thread so everyone could know.

As of yet, I don't see any justifiable reason why the thread was taken out of the Xbox One forum and merged with this one.

[Maxdoggy]

I still don't see why it had to be merged since it was some big news for the Xbox One. I even used the official Microsoft link.

This thread itself is going to drag on for months until some time after both consoles are released. This info is going to be buried. I just want everyone to have the details they want. The biggest outcry has been the DRM so I wanted a visible thread so everyone could know.

As of yet, I don't see any justifiable reason why the thread was taken out of the Xbox One forum and merged with this one.

Wait...are you mirroring the whiners and trolls that got the X1 to change for the worse by complaining in hopes of change in FC??

Are you that meta or do you don't understand my reasonings above relating to have concurrent discussions about the same thing?

I would like to go back on-topic, so let's do that! :)



I'm still not happy about these changes.

[Dos Eggys]

Wait...are you mirroring the whiners and trolls that got the X1 to change for the worse by complaining in hopes of change in FC??

Are you that meta or do you don't understand my reasonings above relating to have concurrent discussions about the same thing?

I would like to go back on-topic, so let's do that! :)



I'm still not happy about these changes.
No, that wasn't my intention at all. You guys can talk about it here, that's fine. It is a relevant discussion point for the X1 vs PS4 discussion. But Microsoft's decision to change their DRM policy with the X1 is a pretty major change and thus, should be readily available to read as a standalone topic in the Xbox One Forum.

[Maxdoggy]

More news about the repercussions of the Xbox One policy-change:

http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/19/xbox-one-drm-marc-whitten/?a_dgi=aolshare_twitter

[bazongaman502]

The Trolls/bitchers have won -.-

[Juggernaut9473]

i am not happy with these changes :(

[Fiery Grave]

Rumor: Giant Bomb and Hi-Fi have both reported, separately, that the Xbox One will make an about-face on their DRM policies and digital policies.

http://www.xbox360achievements.o rg/news/news-15306-Rumour--Microsoft-to-Reverse-Xbox-One-DRM-Policies.html?utm_source= dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

I, for one, am sad that Microsoft won't be pushing the envelope for an all-digital future like Steam, but I guess the Xbox One will get all of the trolls back on our side?? :/

I want innovation, dammit! Not just a new box with better graphics.



What do you think, FC?

Sadness is what i think


Woo! I'm all for this now! Me and my friend can send games back and fourth again! :D

It can still be Steam-ish.

You realize you could have just added that friend to your "10 family members" ad share all your games at the same time... so every game he owns you can play as long as he isn't playing it? thats gone now



I don't know about you guys, but I'm pissed.

Because of the freaking trolls who bitched and moaned - and weren't going to purchase the X1 in the first place - the Xbox One is now just an Xbox 360 II and isn't an innovative machine.

http://kotaku.com/surprise-xbox-one-drm-reversal-requires-day-one-patch-514419715?rev=1371676969&utm_campaign=Socialflow_K otaku_Twitter&utm_source=Kotaku_Twitter&utm_medium=Socialflow

Now I can't have my family sharing plan so that my Dad can play the same games I'm playing when I'm done with them at college without having to go home and give him the disc. And if I wanted to play it again, I would have to go home again instead of just booting it up on my X1.

I wanted an innovative console for the future, not another rehash like the PS4.





[Also what Bazonga said about trolls.]

Agreed 140% and im not even russian


Same. Sometimes I hate the Internet.

I don't know about anyone else, but in my eyes doing this has made the X1 [I]less appealing compared to the PS4.


Nope, the only thing I see is that Microsoft wised up, granted I would of been fine with them allowing us to do the 24 hr check in via phone, they saw that if they went in the direction that they would lose a large chunk of they're consumer market due to all those restrictions they throwing at us so quickly. I don't see it being wrong if they ease us into it later on in the x1's cycle but overall they made the right call.

Really it wasn't it was people complaining about change... now we just have 2 consoles that the only difference is the games and how much money they are throwing at game companies (and microsoft has a lot more)... we have no innovation, nothing to make it the future... Instead of just bringing a flash drive to a friends house with your gamer profile on it and having your whole game library at your finger tips you have to carry the cases of the games you want to bring... if you have bought didgital games you would have to bring your whole xbox now because they will be licences to your console now instead of your profile... you can't even lend those anymore... The thing i wish they did if they had to change it, instead of easing us into this all digital realm just ripped the bandaid off and have No Disk at all anymore just make it like steam with 100% digital downloads


i am not happy with these changes :(

I no longer am excited for the new generation... its just more powerful version of what we have now

[MedeDust]

Fuck society and all the little bitchers. They all need to grow the fuck up and expect new things not live off of the same trashy shit.

[Fiery Grave]

Fuck society and all the little bitchers. They all need to grow the fuck up and expect new things not live off of the same trashy shit.

[RetRdidMunkie]

Not everyone who didn't like it were trolls.
I only had an issue with the always online, I often have times when I don't have internet but still enjoy playing my games..Is it not a legitimate concern when your favorite console doesn't let you play games you bought if you don't have internet?

[KillerGUNNY132]

I didn't think they'd take a complete 180 and change their policies. Wow.

But I'm happy for the people who can now fully enjoy the X1. The people who fund their game purchases with trade-ins, the people who don't have a stable, constant internet connection. I'm happy for those people because that's who MS was alienating.

Am I sad that these digital innovation the X1 was supposed to have are somewhat gone now? Yeah I am. I was truly interested in what would become of them. Having a Steam-like system on consoles would have been awesome. And I was looking forward to the family sharing plan, aswell.

For the people really, really mad and upset. You have to understand why MS did this. If they didn't change anything and let the X1 launch as is, the thing would sell like complete shit. And you all know it. MS has had some of the worst PR a company has had in a while. Only worst I've personally seen has BP Oil as far as public perception.

Like I said before, MS tried to force too much too fast on their consumers. They'll come back with more innovations. But they'll be smarter about their approach this time.

I bet $100 it was the Amazon poll that got MS's attention. They saw the huge disparity and saw their future sales drop.

[Maxdoggy]

For the people really, really mad and upset. You have to understand why MS did this. If they didn't change anything and let the X1 launch as is, the thing would sell like complete shit. And you all know it. MS has had some of the worst PR a company has had in a while. Only worst I've personally seen has BP Oil as far as public perception.


I disagree partially. I believe that in the US long-term, the Xbox One would outsell the PS4 because the main populace would see a box that can replace their cable box AND play games for their children. Also, many PS4 people would eventually buy an Xbox One.

Additionally, I believe that if Xbox One had went the digital route like they were planning to, developers would be more inclined to develop on Xbox One to keep their money from used game sales.


At this point, all I see is more devs going PC-only to preserve their profits and Xbox One winning within a year or two instead of four or five.

[RetRdidMunkie]

Saw an article that had a theory that this was all planned months ago. Has a few valid points, specifically that these changes would take a lot more time to change.
it ccc, dunno how reliable it is, but its interesting.

http://dispatches.cheatcc.com/dispatches/352

[Maxdoggy]

Saw an article that had a theory that this was all planned months ago. Has a few valid points, specifically that these changes would take a lot more time to change.
it ccc, dunno how reliable it is, but its interesting.

http://dispatches.cheatcc.com/dispatches/352

Adam Sessler compared it to the "new Coke" debacle from the 20th Century. Lol.

However, it's wasn't planned. MS really wanted to push things for the future, but the vocal minority cried out and messed things up for those of us who wanted the future.

[RetRdidMunkie]

What about those of us who can't guarantee that we'll always have internet?

[Maxdoggy]

What about those of us who can't guarantee that we'll always have internet?

You only need an Internet connection once-a-day. You could also verify via your phone if your Internet was down.

Also, Xbox 360.

[RetRdidMunkie]

so option 1
No change, I can't use the system, you get major improvements

option 2
there are changes, I can use the system, you get minor improvements.

Option 1 alienates customers, option 2 disappoints. Both sucks, but only one lets me play my games offline.

[KillerGUNNY132]

I think we'll get the innovation we all want for always online and a all/mostly digital market. Think about it.

With games like Destiny, the experience is going to be alot better if you're online. Same goes with Borderlands and The Division. Games like that where the experience is tilted toward the online player will push more and more gamers to be online all the time. Also, MS is now making all games available digitally on launch day instead of a couple months after release like they are currently.

Small steps, maybe. But they are steps toward what we all want. It's gradual and it'll get players used to these things. I think we'll truly have what we want by next gen. But both Sony and Microsoft will be on board.

[Maxdoggy]

Physical media is holding us back technologically and holding prices up.

I wanted the Xbox One and PS4 to be true next-gen devices. After this change, what we have now is the PS3.5 and the Xbox 360 II.
While cool, it's not the leap forward in tech I was hoping for.

[zZ Dr K Zz]

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OOOOOOOOOOO!!

I love that a major corporation actually listened to the community and changed their stance, that is SO AWESOME to see :) (Not because of the change made, but that they actually wanted to make a change)

(And if it's the vocal minority, wouldn't it be the majority anyhow :S )

I still want to see MS go the way they were originally planning to go with the new Xbox, but it'll be better as baby steps. Let people get the console first, get a feel for it and how it works, then start introducing their DRM standards. It'll be an easier transition and will prevent an outcry from everyone.

And it would help if MS would have better press this time around and get ALL of the details out there first, rather than telling us bullet points and going in-depth later. Rumors kill everything that has to with change.

*Also, trolls are every, you can never avoid them, no matter what console you own. People gonna people.

[Mythonian]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojJxqsLxhpk

(be aware: it was prior to Microsoft reversing their DRM policy)

[Fiery Grave]

I disagree partially. I believe that in the US long-term, the Xbox One would outsell the PS4 because the main populace would see a box that can replace their cable box AND play games for their children. Also, many PS4 people would eventually buy an Xbox One.

Additionally, I believe that if Xbox One had went the digital route like they were planning to, developers would be more inclined to develop on Xbox One to keep their money from used game sales.


At this point, all I see is more devs going PC-only to preserve their profits and Xbox One winning within a year or two instead of four or five.

This is true... making games for a console is financially dumb... push it out on PC your getting 70% of the sale and you had a much easier time making it... push it out on console your making ~5$ and have much more of a headache on your hands.


I think we'll get the innovation we all want for always online and a all/mostly digital market. Think about it.

With games like Destiny, the experience is going to be alot better if you're online. Same goes with Borderlands and The Division. Games like that where the experience is tilted toward the online player will push more and more gamers to be online all the time. Also, MS is now making all games available digitally on launch day instead of a couple months after release like they are currently.

Small steps, maybe. But they are steps toward what we all want. It's gradual and it'll get players used to these things. I think we'll truly have what we want by next gen. But both Sony and Microsoft will be on board.

Destiny is only online... its similar to a console MMO you can't play an MMO offline... that doesn't make sense... and neither does an entirely digital market where you can install games and be offline... thats why you can't trade in PC games. Because its being more like a PC that is easier to set up and afford for an average person.


also A LOT of games are going to require a constant internet connection because even a lot of the single player games we have seen use the could computing... and that dont work without internet
They haven't made any steps now... thats just a "well that makes sense to do"... the xbox 360 can do that if they just make them available sooner.

They took the smallest step in the right direction... they made it so you can still have your disks and you can still trade in games and then People made up theory and said microsoft is ruining their lives like a teenager in a bad comedy movie... the one no one likes.

3 things i have seen about the xbox...

1. It will be spying on me!!!!
one you would notice a HUGE spike in you internet data usage if it was sending video of everything you do to somewhere... two Your phones already can do this just as easy if not easier... and three... hey laptop ACTUALLY DO THIS... you get a virus and it starts sending video and audio of everything... someone gets access to you laptop and hey it does it already... and HEY TABLETS!!... anything can be a spy tool if it has a camera, microphone, and and an internet connection.

2. I wanna trade my games in!!!
The part of this being horrible for the game industry to begin with you can... microsoft had THE EXACT SAME POLICY as the PS4 first party games you can trade in freely, but third party games its up to the publisher.

3. DRM is stopping em from playing my games!!!
Microsoft goes "we need a way to protect developers and make sure they get their money for the game, so we just need you to download this small file every day... its smaller than a paragraph text document so you can connect even with a phone" and everyone freaks the fuck out even though it doesn't affect 90% of them.

and for those who can't get internet every day that would usually be cause by traveling... because if you can't afford internet a 500$ console honestly shouldn't be your top priority as a 500$ console could afford internet for 3 years (by then the next play station will probably be being announced!)... if your traveling a console isn't for you... get a laptop and play your games on that... Much more portable and you'll save money on the games.

beside until the console has been out for 5 years the library of single player games will probably be quite small, especially when compared to console like the 360 or PS3 which have huge libraries of games to enjoy.

People are just not accepting any minor inconvenience even if that affords a much greater one


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojJxqsLxhpk

(be aware: it was prior to Microsoft reversing their DRM policy)

this is exactly why they changed their standing is because of the rumors coming out making people just hate on the console... from what im seeing they have barely won anyone back with this move anyways

[THExSPIDERMAN]

WTF this fucking sucks. Microsoft was doing something that would have lowered game prices drastically in the future. They were heading to a system similar to steam. Why did people have to fucking ruin this?

[Blackhawk570]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAj26rVWK14

[xXReiBearXx]

HOT OFF THE PRESSES GUYS!!!!!

if all of this is true this will be a HUGE GAMECHANGER!!!

http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/update

Ok Microsoft...you won me over. I am getting a xbox one now! See that is all I wanted! Gamers like change but only with gameplay and graphics lol We don't want to do new stuff or stop doing the stuff we are use to doing. YAY!! All is well with the world!

[Maxdoggy]

One day after Microsoft reversed their policies on DRM, the Xbox One is now on the top of the Amazon Bestsellers list.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/xbox-one-passes-ps4-on-amazon-chart-6410496
http://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-video-games/zgbs/videogames

[MedeDust]

You know I was looking forward to finally not needing to swap discs but people ruined that. I was looking forward to my cousin in texas to play my games in an instant, but people ruined that. I was looking forward to drop in game prices, but people ruined that as well. All because of hot-headed rumors, which were based off of things that really wouldn't affect most of the people complaining.

[Maxdoggy]

You know I was looking forward to finally not needing to swap discs but people ruined that. I was looking forward to my cousin in texas to play my games in an instant, but people ruined that. I was looking forward to drop in game prices, but people ruined that as well. All because of hot-headed rumors, which were based off of things that really wouldn't affect most of the people complaining.

Amen, my Mexican friend.

[Platinum]

I was looking forward to the family sharing as well, but that was taken away. If rumors were true regarding Sony and their PS4, DRM will be back. I can't recall where but I do rememeber Sony saying that publishers can decide on reselling their games. Just have to see I suppose :)

[Anarchy]

People tend to be afraid of and don't trust giving their money to something that isn't tangible.

That much has been proven by the many people who absolutely refuse to buy map packs, and has been proven now.


It should be interesting to see where Sony goes from here, though.

[Maxdoggy]

People tend to be afraid of and don't trust giving their money to something that isn't tangible.

That much has been proven by the many people who absolutely refuse to buy map packs, and has been proven now.


It should be interesting to see where Sony goes from here, though.

I believe everyone in the PlayStation department, including Jack Tretton, all collectively went "Well shit..."

But then they remembered that they are launching for $100 cheaper and probably selling at a loss. Their main advantage is gone now, so the whole "selling at a loss" may come back to bite them in the ass.

[RaZ Vader]

This is all just getting stupid.

No wonder people play PC. Well, the DRM & Always Online didn't really affect me. The family sharing did sound cool. But this doesn't mean that they can go back and try this later.

At any rate... You all know my 2 concerns yet. $100 more + No kinect option. Not becsuse I'm worried about being "spied" on, but because I just don't want to use it. (Sorry for sounding like a broken record) but I just wanted to point out the problems. If Microsoft lowers the price, and sells an X1 with no kinect, I'll be happy . they can even go back to their original DRM policies.

[Anarchy]

I believe everyone in the PlayStation department, including Jack Tretton, all collectively went "Well shit..."

But then they remembered that they are launching for $100 cheaper and probably selling at a loss. Their main advantage is gone now, so the whole "selling at a loss" may come back to bite them in the ass.

And it will. Unless you really like the few exclusives Sony still has, there's really no reason to go for the PS4 at this point, unless you're that much of a tightwad or already have a system of friends from the PS3. I don't like having a kinect, but meh.

Also this.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/20/ea-wont-bring-back-online-passes-after-xbox-180

[Maxdoggy]

And it will. Unless you really like the few exclusives Sony still has, there's really no reason to go for the PS4 at this point, unless you're that much of a tightwad or already have a system of friends from the PS3. I don't like having a kinect, but meh.

Also this.

http://www.ign.com/articles/2013/06/20/ea-wont-bring-back-online-passes-after-xbox-180

They'll call them something different and say "Hey! We got rid of Online Passes! Here's our Used Game Pass!"



I lol'd, then cried after reading the truth in this Dorkly Post (http://www.dorkly.com/article/52521/don-mattricks-first-draft-of-the-xbox-one-update-announcement).

Don Mattrick's First Draft of the Xbox One Update Announcement:
http://0.media.dorkly.cvcdn.com/81/82/79ebead889dbfc41ca7fdccdc 003a90a-don-mattricks-first-draft-of-the-xbox-one-update-announcement.jpg

[KillerGUNNY132]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

That was great. Seriously, great way to start my morning xD

[GAMExSOLID]

FABULOUS!!!!!!! :D

[xXReiBearXx]

Ok so now we are bitching about the fact that the said no more familty sharing? I kind of get it and I agree that they shouldn't take away family sharing. They should allow those the option of that. I do think it is great though that the are no longer gonig to restrict the trading in games. Granted gamestop is not the best with credit with games but for people who can't afford $60 bucks everytime a new game comes out it is nice for them to be able to trade in games for a new one. That is how most broke people do it lol. And as someone once told me before is that is a decent percent of complaints come in then the company is forced to make a change otherwise losing bussiness. And I don't know why people are saying these rumors these rumors cause even microsoft stated that the complaints were about FACTS.

"You told us how much you loved the flexibility you have today with games delivered on disc. The ability to lend, share, and resell these games at your discretion is of incredible importance to you. Also important to you is the freedom to play offline, for any length of time, anywhere in the world." `Microsoft

I think that microsoft needs to appease to all gamers needs/wants. There are peopel who just can't afford internet (rare in these times I know) If they want to buy a new game console and not internet why are they restricted? There are many older members in FC who should rememeber the days when we played games that were offline 24/7. The days long before console gaming had the ability to connect to the internet.

I understand everyone's veiws and granted the last few threads about these topics have escalted due to you know...me having a vagina and everyone trying to spew their testosterone lol I mean hell last week I was all against xbox one and now I think Microsoft is redeeming themselves. It is about us gamers and after all the rumors and announcments a lot of gamers felt like Microsoft was all about $$$ because not all gamers understand marketing and bussiness and video game development. So I reccommend that people reccomemned they keep family sharing and maybe drop the limit from 10 to like 5. I mean netflix limits you to how many devices you use it on also.

[KazuhLLL]

Amen, my Mexican friend.

Amen, my Canine friend.

[Blackhawk570]

Granted gamestop is not the best with credit with games but for people who can't afford $60 bucks everytime a new game comes out it is nice for them to be able to trade in games for a new one.

You were able to trade in games with the new system. You have to do some reading.

[xXReiBearXx]

You were able to trade in games with the new system. You have to do some reading.

Read what maxdoggy posted. "Used game blocking DRM" granted I did read Microsoft said that they would leave that choice up to the game developers but still...

[Platinum]

Lol. I know family sharing is dead, but it wasn't that great to begin with. Read somewhere that you had one hour to play a game from a friend's shared library. Special Demos ftw

[Maxdoggy]

Read what maxdoggy posted. "Used game blocking DRM" granted I did read Microsoft said that they would leave that choice up to the game developers but still...

Unless you're referring to an older post I made about the rumors from before E3, then you misread or misunderstood and I apologize for the confusion.

Physical used games were always a thing. First Party MS titles would be able to be traded in without any fees, and a liscense transfer would occur when that happened. Third Party used games could have fees as determined by the publisher.

Used Games were NEVER blocked on the Xbox One.


Also, an interesting read: http://www.heyuguysgaming.com/news/12507/heartbroken-xbox-one-employee-lets-rip-must-read

[RaZ Vader]

Unless you're referring to an older post I made about the rumors from before E3, then you misread or misunderstood and I apologize for the confusion.

Physical used games were always a thing. First Party MS titles would be able to be traded in without any fees, and a liscense transfer would occur when that happened. Third Party used games could have fees as determined by the publisher.

Used Games were NEVER blocked on the Xbox One.


Also, an interesting read: http://www.heyuguysgaming.com/news/12507/heartbroken-xbox-one-employee-lets-rip-must-read

That was an interesting read. Now I'm a sad Panda. I'm so conflicted. Someone convince me to buy the Xbox One with something I don't want to use. (The kinect)

[Anarchy]

That was an interesting read. Now I'm a sad Panda. I'm so conflicted. Someone convince me to buy the Xbox One with something I don't want to use. (The kinect)

It has more exclusives, lets you keep having us wonderful XBL friends, and you can always use the kinect to throw at the wall when you're angered and not have to deal with breaking anything important.

[Nicholas Sapien]

It has more exclusives, lets you keep having us wonderful XBL friends, and you can always use the kinect to throw at the wall when you're angered and not have to deal with breaking anything important.

lol

[Maxdoggy]

It has more exclusives, lets you keep having us wonderful XBL friends, and you can always use the kinect to throw at the wall when you're angered and not have to deal with breaking anything important.

If RaZ doesn't switch after that, I don't know what will.

Bravo, good sir. Bravo.

[RaZ Vader]

It has more exclusives, lets you keep having us wonderful XBL friends, and you can always use the kinect to throw at the wall when you're angered and not have to deal with breaking anything important.

hmmm... Pay $100 extra to break shit. but than my Xbox One Won't work. Damn. Well, although I have Wonderful XBL Friends, some of you still plan on getting a PS4 eventually :D

But Max, in terms of that article saying that PS4 is not much different in terms of innovation. What does the X1 do differently now? I mean, both have DVRS and can share your videos. The Controllers are both a little different in their each way. (PS4 Speaker, and touch pad) & (XB1 Rumble Triggers)

I mean, I thought that stuff was pretty innovative. The Xbox One did have Family Sharing, but the PS4 would/could eventually do the same thing easily, in fact: The following Article explains that Sony wants to add more innovation but gradually go into it. (again this was before XB1's Policy changes)

http://kotaku.com/sony-actually-has-a-very-different-future-in-mind-for-p-51414492
(http://kotaku.com/sony-actually-has-a-very-different-future-in-mind-for-p-514144920)

[Blackhawk570]

That was an interesting read. Now I'm a sad Panda. I'm so conflicted. Someone convince me to buy the Xbox One with something I don't want to use. (The kinect)

They may make the Kinect a separate thing you instead of must having it with the console you never know. They is probably the only thing people want now from Microsoft, but if they dont have it I am still satisfied with the exclusives on the x1 way more than the ps4.

[Jam Cliché]

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Secksbox_9711ee_4646131.j pg

I share my views with Anarchy in regards to the used game market. I would rather buy games new if it means the price of new games goes down. You're all fine buying a 60 dollar game used for 30 bucks, but the guy who bought it new got shit nothing for selling it. XBO was going to circumvent the used game retailers and pioneer their own game trading marketplace.

Always online? Some policies may be extreme, but console hacking has only been on the rise. They're trying to cut down on piracy. I have done quite a bit of "peer-to-peer sharing" on movies and music, but I do not pirate games. Game developers get shit for their work, creating content that must be as visually, narratively, and audibly stunning as today's music and movies but provide hundreds of times as much entertainment, all to be recognized for very little at all. We have a dozen different forms of video game award shows that, collectively, might gain the amount of coverage that a single award ceremony of any one category in the film industry does.

Why are we punishing Microsoft for this? For once I was able to take all of their ideas at face value and still approve. Built in Kinect and refusal of backwards compatibility means they won't waste their time trying to force game developers to limit their creativity. And the 360 gets continued support even after the XBO release. On top of that, we get an upgraded Smartglass, which, by the way, is a free app. What is Sony using as its "companion" device for its NEW console? Oh, that's right, its NEW handheld.

I love the idea of the PS4 bringing the game archive market online. That is great. I seem to remember this happening before... Some other first party company... started with an N... And aside from Nintendo, what the fuck do you think the XBL Arcade was? PS4 is doing it better, but I believe it's only a matter of time before XBO catches up on that, because they already did it once.

We have remained confident and faithful in Microsoft for years. It may be a passive trust, but we have paid our 5 bucks a month for XBL for years to enjoy what it brings, which most recently includes our love of Minecraft and Halo. The first sign of change has chased off so many faithful Xbox users that I am ashamed. I have been hearing talk from some members that when Destiny comes out, they're not playing Halo 4 anymore, or when PS4 is out, they will abandon Xbox. My answer: Why wait? PS3 is already here. I hear it's the same thing as a PS4 anyway, cause that's what you all wanted.

[RaZ Vader]

PS4 is very different from the PS3. And I will outline them back home on my PC. Unless someone else who agrees wishes to outline the differences.

[Maxdoggy]

RaZ, the beauty of the Xbox One is that it has an HDMI-in.

What does this mean?

It means backwards compatability. You could have your Xbox 360 plugged into your Xbox One and play Xbox 360 games while having the Windows Kernel OS running on top of it (if need be).

The PS4 doesn't have that.

The HDMI-in also means your Xbox One can be your new set-top box (minus a TV DVR - MS didn't get permission to circumvent Cable TV's DVR's [another case of competition and money]).

The Xbox One features Cloud-based computing, which will extend the life of the Xbox One far past the PS4 in terms of pushing the limits of technology. The Cloud can offload non-immediate processes such as physics, AI, lighting, etc. and allow more the Xbox One to focus more processes on graphics, for example with the power of 300,000 servers behind you.

Also, you will have 1000 friends (many including us lovely people!).

[silversleek]

http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/console-wars-is-microsoft-preparing-to-go-on-the-offensive-with-free-xbox-live/ (http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/console-wars-is-microsoft-preparing-to-go-on-the-offensive-with-free-xbox-live/)

[Anarchy]

Raz, there's also the fact that Xbox live is infinitely better than Sony's online right now, and is getting a massive update on top of that to be miles ahead of Sony's.

Plus, obviously, there's Halo. I know it means less to you now than ever, but it's still a plus. If you said you aren't at all curious as to how Halo goes into the next generation, you'd be lying. Project spark looks good as well, and is free. Microsoft is always working to get Sony exlusives on the Xbox, whereas really no Xbox exclusive has managed to hit the ps3 (or ps4).

The only thing the ps4 has over the Xbox one is initial price, and if this next generation is as long as the current, which it will probably be longer, $100 is nothing over 7-8 years.

As for the kinect, you'll just have to swallow that pill bud, I dont like it either, but the Xbox one has all the Xbox exclusives we love, plus former PlayStation exclusives I wanted.

[Graycochea]

http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/console-wars-is-microsoft-preparing-to-go-on-the-offensive-with-free-xbox-live/ (microsoft is getting desperate [5:15:46 PM] Bryan Ross: http://www.egmnow.com/articles/news/console-wars-is-microsoft-preparing-to-go-on-the-offensive-with-free-xbox-live/)

Doesn't work.

[Maxdoggy]

Doesn't work.

I had to copy/paste it into my browser.


But on the topic of that article: While that would be really cool and would destroy Sony, I highly doubt it'll happen.

[Fiery Grave]

I was looking forward to the family sharing as well, but that was taken away. If rumors were true regarding Sony and their PS4, DRM will be back. I can't recall where but I do rememeber Sony saying that publishers can decide on reselling their games. Just have to see I suppose :)

yes sony has the exact same policy that xbox did before they back pedaled... no one cared though because microsoft said ti up front while sony said it in fine print


This is all just getting stupid.

No wonder people play PC. Well, the DRM & Always Online didn't really affect me. The family sharing did sound cool. But this doesn't mean that they can go back and try this later.

At any rate... You all know my 2 concerns yet. $100 more + No kinect option. Not becsuse I'm worried about being "spied" on, but because I just don't want to use it. (Sorry for sounding like a broken record) but I just wanted to point out the problems. If Microsoft lowers the price, and sells an X1 with no kinect, I'll be happy . they can even go back to their original DRM policies.

Raz look at it this way, when a game developer goes to make a game and they know that everyone has a kinect they are not goign to get a publisher going "Well this is a really cool idea, but not every one has a kinect so it would make more sense to not have it use the kinect and target more people" now that game developer's cool idea is shut down, they have to go make a game that they dont want to work on as much as that game, making a lower quality game. And though you dont see it now maybe that one game was the game you would play for the rest of your life or be something you truly enjoy playing.

Same applies to cool features they wont get shut down because "well with out that cool kinect feature we target target everyone with a kinect and without. Make it so it doesn't need kinect" and then you get a shit version of that feature and it completely ruins the game for you.

Does that make it more clear as to why they are making it an integrated part of the system?


Ok so now we are bitching about the fact that the said no more familty sharing? I kind of get it and I agree that they shouldn't take away family sharing. They should allow those the option of that. I do think it is great though that the are no longer gonig to restrict the trading in games. Granted gamestop is not the best with credit with games but for people who can't afford $60 bucks everytime a new game comes out it is nice for them to be able to trade in games for a new one. That is how most broke people do it lol. And as someone once told me before is that is a decent percent of complaints come in then the company is forced to make a change otherwise losing bussiness. And I don't know why people are saying these rumors these rumors cause even microsoft stated that the complaints were about FACTS.

"You told us how much you loved the flexibility you have today with games delivered on disc. The ability to lend, share, and resell these games at your discretion is of incredible importance to you. Also important to you is the freedom to play offline, for any length of time, anywhere in the world." `Microsoft

I think that microsoft needs to appease to all gamers needs/wants. There are peopel who just can't afford internet (rare in these times I know) If they want to buy a new game console and not internet why are they restricted? There are many older members in FC who should rememeber the days when we played games that were offline 24/7. The days long before console gaming had the ability to connect to the internet.

I understand everyone's veiws and granted the last few threads about these topics have escalted due to you know...me having a vagina and everyone trying to spew their testosterone lol I mean hell last week I was all against xbox one and now I think Microsoft is redeeming themselves. It is about us gamers and after all the rumors and announcments a lot of gamers felt like Microsoft was all about $$$ because not all gamers understand marketing and bussiness and video game development. So I reccommend that people reccomemned they keep family sharing and maybe drop the limit from 10 to like 5. I mean netflix limits you to how many devices you use it on also.

Rei the problem is rumors like "it will only work in 21 states" (which was widely believed) and other ones that had no grounds in reality that also killed a lot of these features...

[Platinum]

That was an interesting read. Now I'm a sad Panda. I'm so conflicted. Someone convince me to buy the Xbox One with something I don't want to use. (The kinect)

Buy it. Done.

Just kidding. The Cloud. Not Cloud storage, not cloud streaming (gaiKai), but cloud computing. Forza has already shown what it can do with player based AI, Respawn said that TitanFall wouldn't be possible on the PS4 because of the Cloud. This is only the beginning, imagine 5 years down the line.

http://i.imgur.com/VrHtc0W.png
Just the number of servers used for the Cloud. Being compared to other companies that are successful with cloud related. This number will grow over time. XBL currently runs on about 15k servers. However, this can go two ways. it can VERY good, or VERY bad. Halo 4 MM is ran on Azure, and those servers have faulted a couple of times (keep in mind that this is with 15k servers).


Over 300,000 servers will be running this year for Xbox One to be used for "latency-insensitive computation" in Xbox One games and as dedicated hosts for multiplayer games. Lag is avoided because it will not compute things which are latency sensitive, such as animations in shooters, shots in a game, and reactions to collisions. The servers will be used to compute things that are latency-insensitive, such as lighting, volumetric fog, physics modeling, fluid dynamics, cloth motion, and AI processing. These computations are handled upfront by cloud servers while adding no lag to gameplay.

To ensure a seamless experience, the local Xbox will handle introductory computations before the cloud catches up, which then takes over latency-insenstive computations. If the Internet connection breaks, "the game is going to handle that intelligently." Otherwise, if the Xbox is connected to a network, the cloud will do it's job with these computations.

"A rule of thumb we like to use is that for ever Xbox One available in your living room, we'll have three of those devices in the cloud."

The Xbox One was built from the ground up with the cloud in mind. The xbox One included four dedicated "Memory Move Engines" on the main processor die, half of which are used for compressing and the other half for decompressing data. The result is that in theory, every Xbox One can have up to 5 teraflops of processing power (4 local Xbox One machines), due to the rule of thumb stated above; this ensures that the Xbox One is relatively future proof if the power of cloud can be fully taken advantage of by developers.

Additionally, some of the 300,000 servers will be used as dedicated servers for multiplayer games, so that consoles won't be used as hosts for multiplayer anymore. This allows for multiplayer matches to be larger than on the previous generation of consoles. For example, Battlefield 4 will feature 64-player matches on the Xbox One. -Copied from "Xbox Live Servers/Cloud" http://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/wiki/index

[RaZ Vader]

Idk guys...

If XBL Gold becomes free, and stays free. Then wow. Just wow. I'd be going back to Xbox In a heart beat.

As for the cloud. That is still a little fuzzy too me and unclear. Same goes for Gakahi.

I think I need to wait until more facts are thrown out and what each company plans to do.

[Platinum]

Idk guys...

If XBL Gold becomes free, and stays free. Then wow. Just wow. I'd be going back to Xbox In a heart beat.

As for the cloud. That is still a little fuzzy too me and unclear. Same goes for Gakahi.

I think I need to wait until more facts are thrown out and what each company plans to do.

XBL won't stay free. What they may do is bundle a one year with the Xbox Day one, or just make XBL free for a few months when it launches. PSN+ is now required to play online and Sony is rumored to putting apps behind a paywall (like xbl with netflix) so Ms won't change that. I do believe that Games with Gold will be a thing with next gen (this promotion was probably an experiment). MS noticed the spike in players for Fable 3. Went from averaging 20k a day to 60k+. The Cloud is promising, but it may also be a step back for those without reliable internet. Respawn said that people without reliable internet shouldn't buy titanfall as the game relies HEAVILY on the Cloud.

As for those who are wondering if we lost instant switching we didn't. http://i.imgur.com/khzE43z.jpg

[zZ Dr K Zz]

That's because it was free :) No one in their right mind would willingly play Fable 3, let alone pay for it.

I have a feeling the cloud will probably go down at some point post launch of the Xbox One. The damned thing barely worked on the 360 for awhile >_>

The cloud will be the Xbox One's greatest ally and most nefarious enemy.

[Maxdoggy]

That's because it was free :) No one in their right mind would willingly play Fable 3, let alone pay for it.

I have a feeling the cloud will probably go down at some point post launch of the Xbox One. The damned thing barely worked on the 360 for awhile >_>

The cloud will be the Xbox One's greatest ally and most nefarious enemy.

Unless Microsoft decides to do maintainence on all 300,000 servers at once, I don't see that being an issue.

[KazuhLLL]

http://i.imgur.com/khzE43z.jpg

But to do it you need to have a digital game library instead of a physical one. :P

[Maxdoggy]

Amazon posts biggest preorder week ever.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/xbox-one-ps4-help-amazon-post-biggest-preorder-week-ever-6410555

[Platinum]

But to do it you need to have a digital game library instead of a physical one. :P

Yup lol.

[Maxdoggy]

PS4 to come out on November 13th? http://www.ps3trophies.org/news/news-10289-Dutch-Retailer-Points-to-November-13th-Release-for-PlayStation-4.html

Xbox One to come out on November 27th? http://www.xbox360achievements.o rg/news/news-15334-Amazon-Lists-Xbox-One-for-November-27th-Release.html?utm_source=d lvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

[GAMExSOLID]

I believe the PS4 date but I just don't believe that Microsoft would release their system the day before Thanksgiving.

[Maxdoggy]

I believe the PS4 date but I just don't believe that Microsoft would release their system the day before Thanksgiving.

Black Friday?

But yeah, I think Amazon just put that date as it is the last likely date in November for MS to release it.

[RaZ Vader]

changing the topic on hand about the release dates.. but still on topic.. with this awesome discussion about the XB1 vs PS4.

I notice that the XB1 is boasting about their cloud service.. well, PS4 will have it too :D

http://www.shacknews.com/article/79760/sony-of-course-ps4-can-do-cloud-computing

[Blackhawk570]

changing the topic on hand about the release dates.. but still on topic.. with this awesome discussion about the XB1 vs PS4.

I notice that the XB1 is boasting about their cloud service.. well, PS4 will have it too :D

http://www.shacknews.com/article/79760/sony-of-course-ps4-can-do-cloud-computing

That is all network based computing not any graphical mentions.

[RaZ Vader]

That is all network based computing not any graphical mentions.

meh. "load of rubbish." for both lol

[Blackhawk570]

meh. "load of rubbish." for both lol

Once it gets closer to release date everything shall become more clear.

[Maxdoggy]

1. RaZ's article was talking about "Linking, matchmaking... there are already many computations being done on the cloud side," - stuff that's already done.
2. Graphics processes can't be pushed to the cloud. Only non-immediate stuff can be pushed to the cloud (i.e. AI, physics, lighting, etc.), which in turn frees up processes on the Xbox for graphics.
3. Even if Sony was going to be able to do stuff like Xbox, do they have 300,000 servers? Nope.

[Fiery Grave]

3. Even if Sony was going to be able to do stuff like Xbox, do they have 300,000 servers? Nope.

i doubt they could even afford that... its stuff that has always been done on cloud like matchmaking and stuff cannot be done locally

[bazongaman502]

That's because it was free :) No one in their right mind would willingly play Fable 3, let alone pay for it.

umm, I would. Fable 3 was a great game in my opinion. No where near as good as the previous 2, but it was still a great game. I loved the story. I don't get why people make it seem like it was a terrible game.

[KazuhLLL]

umm, I would. Fable 3 was a great game in my opinion. No where near as good as the previous 2, but it was still a great game. I loved the story. I don't get why people make it seem like it was a terrible game.

I have thoroughly enjoyed it. Spent 20 hours on it and I probably have a good amount more before I finish everything.

[Platinum]

Just to clarify some things lol.

1)Sony's cloud network is nothing compared to Azure.
2)I highly doubt that Microsoft has 300k PHYSICAL servers.
3)Prepare for the Future (http://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/1gsrf5/how_developers_use_the_cl oud_and_halo_will_have_a/).

[Fiery Grave]

Just to clarify some things lol.

1)Sony's cloud network is nothing compared to Azure.
2)I highly doubt that Microsoft has 300k PHYSICAL servers.
3)Prepare for the Future (http://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/1gsrf5/how_developers_use_the_cl oud_and_halo_will_have_a/).

but they do though... microsoft has enough money to make that happen. they will probably add more as time goes on too

[RaZ Vader]

Amazon posts biggest preorder week ever.

http://www.gamespot.com/news/xbox-one-ps4-help-amazon-post-biggest-preorder-week-ever-6410555

*cough*

http://www.amazon.com/gp/bestsellers/2013/videogames

[Spartanbh]

I love how even when you throw the true, most rational facts in Raz's face, he still refuses to believe anything =P. It's simple, in the long run, the Xbox One will outdo the PS4.

[RaZ Vader]

I love how even when you throw the true, most rational facts in Raz's face, he still refuses to believe anything =P. It's simple, in the long run, the Xbox One will outdo the PS4.

Im not ignoring facts Spartan. I am just showing an Amazon list. lol

I am sure the X1 will be a great system, but for me, A lot of my real life friends will be getting PlayStation. Even though I said I will only get one console, it seems I will get both eventually. So Yeah, I am sure you will see me on X1 sometime next year, but PS4 will be my first buy. We will see what else will happen closer to launch.

Their are still a lot of announcements to be made for both systems in the future. I can't wait to hear em.

X1 and PS4 essentially do the same thing. Play Games. For me, that's all that matters are games. and more Games, and Friends. Unfortunately, I have a community of Xbox Friends here at FC, and another of real life friends who will be going too PS4. Sucks to see it split like this, but I gatta go where my friends, and the value is.

I can't argue with free games every freaking month, and a $100 Cheaper price tag. For me its big, I live on my own, and i need a gaming system. PS4 saves me $100 to play the same games X1 gamers will be playing, aside from a few exclusive titles. From the logical stand-point. What system is more appealing for the Average consumer?

[Spartanbh]

I can't argue with free games every freaking month, and a $100 Cheaper price tag. For me its big, I live on my own, and i need a gaming system. PS4 saves me $100 to play the same games X1 gamers will be playing, aside from a few exclusive titles. From the logical stand-point. What system is more appealing for the Average consumer?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqs9DYisSsg


I could make the same argument about buying a car though; Do I want to spend a little less money on a car that will probably last me about 5-6 years before starting to have some serious problems, or do I want to spend that extra $1000 for a car that may do the same as the other one, but will hold up 2-3x as long before having any seriously malfunctions. Hell, if you look at the 360vsPS3, you can easily tell which is the outdated system. I still feel that the 360 has a good 3-4 more years of solid gaming before it could be considered old school.

I personally can' fathom the "extra $100" problem because for me at least, saving a little more after each check isn't that hard. Hell, you can do some quick side, under-the-table work that wouldn't take longer than 2-3 days that could earn you $100. I'm not saying that money is not a serious issue and no one should be having problems with saving, but there are ALWAYS ways of getting around it. And seriously...if money is so tight and an extra $100 to drop is SO SIGNIFICANT, then maybe investing tons of money into a new console isn't the right thing to do until you have saved up just enough. If you want to talk about the "Average Consumer", they will go for the Xbox One immediately once they hear the specs (especially with the new reversal policies). The AVERAGE CONSUMER wants a multi-use system, and the Xbox One supplies that. If you meant "Average Gamer", then sure, the PS4 may look appealing at first, but I can guarantee you in the LONG RUN, the Xbox One will prevail.

[RaZ Vader]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fqs9DYisSsg


I could make the same argument about buying a car though; Do I want to spend a little less money on a car that will probably last me about 5-6 years before starting to have some serious problems, or do I want to spend that extra $1000 for a car that may do the same as the other one, but will hold up 2-3x as long before having any seriously malfunctions. Hell, if you look at the 360vsPS3, you can easily tell which is the outdated system. I still feel that the 360 has a good 3-4 more years of solid gaming before it could be considered old school.

I personally can' fathom the "extra $100" problem because for me at least, saving a little more after each check isn't that hard. Hell, you can do some quick side, under-the-table work that wouldn't take longer than 2-3 days that could earn you $100. I'm not saying that money is not a serious issue and no one should be having problems with saving, but there are ALWAYS ways of getting around it. And seriously...if money is so tight and an extra $100 to drop is SO SIGNIFICANT, then maybe investing tons of money into a new console isn't the right thing to do until you have saved up just enough. If you want to talk about the "Average Consumer", they will go for the Xbox One immediately once they hear the specs (especially with the new reversal policies). The AVERAGE CONSUMER wants a multi-use system, and the Xbox One supplies that. If you meant "Average Gamer", then sure, the PS4 may look appealing at first, but I can guarantee you in the LONG RUN, the Xbox One will prevail.

Every little bit helps, and I am in no sense in need of money. I did not mean to sound I was in desperate need of cash. I am doing quite well for once thank you very much. :)

Every little bit helps, so why pay $100 more? That $100 can go towards another game.

How about where my friends are going to play? Thats important too. Like I said, they are flocking to PS4, if they were too get an X1 first, I would be getting an X1 first. And GOOD free games every month to a PS+ member!? Saint Row 3 and Sleeping Dogs this month fyi lol.

Why can't we all agree that both system will be great? I have talked to a few developers (at gearbox) and they are actually excited for the PS4 and X1. Which will developers embrace more first? In terms of hardware, PS4 wins. Faster, Better GPU/CPU. The cloud system. Some developers are starting to utilize it for the X1. How far will it go? Time will tell.

In terms of Entertainment? Netflix/Tv/Aps, do not concern me. Even though I can watch Netflix without an extra Subscription to PS+ on a PS3 right now.. *cough*

Listen Spartan, I am not bashing on the X1. I don't hate anyone who gets an X1. You don't have to keep throwing out opinions, facts, etc. I know all of them.

No matter what system anyone gets, they will have a great time. :) This is going to be a great generation of gaming, that is for certain.

See ya all next year when i get an X1. Or sooner maybe I will get one sooner than that? :D

[Fiery Grave]

http://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-video-games/zgbs/videogames/ref=zg_bsar_tab_t_bs

since the reversal x1 has taken top spot for the week and ps4 preorders have gone down in rate

also the difference in power is essentially GDDR3->GDDR5 which people in the know about how they work will tell you its a minimal difference.

But then the Xbox has its custom CPU and PS4 has the bought one... Now in reality the PS4 one could be a bit faster (since we don't know too much about the xbox one) but even if it is, the xbox one will be better utilized since its their chip and their software using it which will probbably lead to getting more out of less.

[Jam Cliché]

Just to clarify some things lol.

1)Sony's cloud network is nothing compared to Azure.
2)I highly doubt that Microsoft has 300k PHYSICAL servers.
3)Prepare for the Future (http://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/1gsrf5/how_developers_use_the_cl oud_and_halo_will_have_a/).

The announcement of the enormous server count is closely related to the new cloud engineering. That's the best observation I have.

RaZ, I won't try to convince you to get an X1 for the specs, but we all want you to have one.
Even so, you will still have a 360 and Halo 4. =D

[RaZ Vader]

The announcement of the enormous server count is closely related to the new cloud engineering. That's the best observation I have.

RaZ, I won't try to convince you to get an X1 for the specs, but we all want you to have one.
Even so, you will still have a 360 and Halo 4. =D

Yeah...I still have an Xbox 360 & Halo 4... Lol check to see if I have logged on a month from now.

[Jam Cliché]

http://www.gamesradar.com/e3-2013-every-next-gen-exclusive-detailed/

Clearing up some misconceptions about the word "exclusive".

[Maxdoggy]

Microsoft Spends ~$700 million on "Project Mountain" in Iowa for more cloud servers for XBL and Office 365:
http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/24/microsoft-700-million-iowa-data-center/

[Juggernaut9473]

Dayum that's a lot of green

[Graycochea]

That's why we pay taxes... video game taxes. If you look at it a certain way, that's how it is. We pay the government and they get us more roads and teachers. We pay Microsoft and we get more cloud servers. The question is, which do you want more?

[RaZ Vader]

Even though I think this shouldn't be a deciding factor on what console you should get, it is kind of interesting. I don't know who all knew this, but Microsoft definitely wants the kinect to be used not only in games, but the way you will communicate in parties.

Microsoft will not be shipping their Headset with the Console, and will be sold separate. Even though I know most people use 3rd Party head-sets, this won't matter too many of you.

http://kotaku.com/the-xbox-one-vs-ps4-headset-war-begins-577590186

Also, Sony Didn't Win E3, Microsoft didn't Win E3, Nintendo didn't win E3... Conan did.

http://kotaku.com/sorry-sony-microsoft-or-basically-anyone-else-conan-584763776

[Maxdoggy]

Even though I think this shouldn't be a deciding factor on what console you should get, it is kind of interesting. I don't know who all knew this, but Microsoft definitely wants the kinect to be used not only in games, but the way you will communicate in parties.

Microsoft will not be shipping their Headset with the Console, and will be sold separate. Even though I know most people use 3rd Party head-sets, this won't matter too many of you.

http://kotaku.com/the-xbox-one-vs-ps4-headset-war-begins-577590186

Also, Sony Didn't Win E3, Microsoft didn't Win E3, Nintendo didn't win E3... Conan did.

http://kotaku.com/sorry-sony-microsoft-or-basically-anyone-else-conan-584763776

I felt like you actually read my Twitter Feed, but then I realized the links are direct from Kotaku. I am a sad panda.

In the Twitter world, that's old news! :P

But yeah, kinda bummed I won't get a cheap-ass easily-breakable headset with my console, though. Did you see the PS4's one though? A crappy earbud with an inline mic that they'll sell at a premium. Lol.

[RaZ Vader]

i saw the PS4 earbud, I think it will last longer than that crappy plastic one though. lol. It looks way to similar to the original Xbox 360 mics. I'd rather have something rather than nothing, either way, I will probably go with a third party headset anyway, when they release one.

Look at your twitter feed? I should do that more..

[Graycochea]

This actually might be a game changer for me, like a deal breaker and everything. Honestly, that means that you'll have voice coming through the TV speakers. Everyone in the room with you will be able to hear you and everything your mates are saying. That annoys me. It's bad enough that I look like a psycho talking to myself in the middle of my living room, but the only thing worse than that would be having everyone else in that living room be able to hear everything my friends are talking about. I don't know if anyone noticed, but people swear a lot on video games. I don't want my parents hearing that. Am I the only person worried about that type of thing? I feel like Microsoft is under the impression that the people buying their consoles all live alone.

[Juggernaut9473]

Or that most of us are using 3rd party headsets like turtle beaches or trittons

[Zeta Crossfire]

Is it just me, or did anyone else never use the bundled headset? From day 1 I bought a wireless mic for 360 and now I won't use a mic that isn't a tritton, astro, or turtle beach unless the mic's battery is dead. I really hope Tritton makes an adapter for my Warhead.


Also who cares that the PS4 has slightly better graphics then the Xone? Currently the PS3 has better graphics then the 360 but it doesn't seem to bother most people.

[Maxdoggy]

I used the bundled-in headset until it broke, then I got some Turtle Beaches, which then broke in a year (we're talking around 2008 now). I then just used a normal headset, I tried the Xbox 360 wireless headset (that eventually broke and wouldn't take a charge), and then about a year ago I got my Turtle Beach XP400's.

Un-related to that topic:

Sony cut the PS Eye from the PS4 to beat MS: http://www.gamespot.com/news/sony-cut-ps-eye-from-ps4-to-beat-xbox-one-price-report-6410761

To steal a comment from that news story that agrees with my sentiment:

"Microsoft's decision to bundle a Kinect with each Xbox One and require it for use may be unpopular, but it guarantees that every user will have the option to try Kinect-enabled games and experiences. For developers, it means that Kinect integration is no longer a costly gamble on a small subsection of Xbox owners — motion-detecting and voice-sensing elements can be anything from a small optional game enhancement or the primary control method."

This is what's important. Can't wait to see what devs do with the tech now that there is guaranteed 100% adaption. The tech is impressive in and of itself, no doubt it will add to the experience in a wide swath of MS' AAA exclusives.

I had already assumed that this is how Sony managed to get their $399 price point. I was also wondering about the built in LED on the controller, as it was a much-touted feature during their reveal event. Looks like it won't be getting much support, anymore. So much for determining where players are sitting on the couch... lol. meh.

I'm glad MS didn't get wind of this, and didn't choose to sacrifice Kinect. Whether its for surfing the dash, powering up the console, communicating with friends, or playing games, I can't wait to have Kinect as part of my setup.
____________________

By relegating the camera to a $59.99 add-on, Sony has ensured the opposite — a climate of codependency wherein PlayStation 4 camera adoption will hinge upon compelling software, but compelling software will only arrive after PlayStation 4 camera adoption.

What's worse, the DualShock 4's integrated LEDs are now good for little more than visual flair. Per Sony, the light-up panels will help indicate the player associated with each controller and, when supported, react to in-game cues, such as blinking red when a player is low on health. Ultimately, the limited functionality of the LEDs without the aid of the Eye won't impact the player experience or even drastically diminish the overall battery life of the controller, but it's a lingering reminder of Sony's failure to support the tech."

^This guy and I should be friends.

[Blackhawk570]

Im hoping to be able to use my computer headset with the new X1

[Maxdoggy]

Im hoping to be able to use my computer headset with the new X1

Unless it's magically compatible with the new proprietary tech from MS, I highly doubt it.

It's M$, remember? You must buy new accessories.

[bazongaman502]

Meh, I have the Razer Chinimaras and when the Xbox One comes out, ill just move it over to a PC mic. I can already see before the end of the Xbox One era, I'll be moving to PC gaming. Already kinda sliding into that area.

[Juggernaut9473]

really hoping i can keep using my trittons...

[Mythonian]

really hoping i can keep using my trittons...

There will almost definitely be an adapter or something you could buy, so it should still be able to work.

[Juggernaut9473]

There will almost definitely be an adapter or something you could buy, so it should still be able to work.

...fuck adapters

[Maxdoggy]

Microsoft finally took away those expensive update costs for Xbox 360: http://www.xbox360achievements.o rg/news/news-15381-Report--Microsoft-Drops-Xbox-360-Update-Charges-for-Developers.html?utm_sourc e=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

Also, you may be able to use your current headset on the X1: http://www.xbox360achievements.o rg/news/news-15379-You-May-Be-Able-to-Use-Your-Xbox-360-Headset-With-Xbox-One.html?utm_source=dlvr. it&utm_medium=twitter

[Maxdoggy]

[Double-Post; Sorry!]

Also, Sony explains why they now requires PS+ for online play: http://www.gamespot.com/news/sony-explains-why-ps-plus-is-required-for-ps4-online-play-6410806

[Fiery Grave]

[Double-Post; Sorry!]

Also, Sony explains why they now requires PS+ for online play: http://www.gamespot.com/news/sony-explains-why-ps-plus-is-required-for-ps4-online-play-6410806

that story literally sounds just like what microsoft said 8 years ago when the ps3 said its online would be free and every one went "why you not doing dis?"

[RaZ Vader]

Here is a neat site that shows which console people will be getting. Vote for your console here! ^_^

http://xboxonevspsfour.com/

[Sgt Catastrophe]

I'm getting an Xbox One mostly just for Halo and maybe other games that interest me. The PS4 is better priced by far, no idea what the hell is going through Microsoft's mind. The limited edition Xbox 360's are $400 and that's pricey enough. They're wanting $500 for just the console, and that's not including a game which obviously adds on another $60. Also, if you don't have Xbox Live or its your first Xbox, then that's another $20-60. Just because there is a token for an achievement and a flashy logo on the controller is absolutely no reason to slap on an extra $100. Its either that, or the fact that they're using the whole Kinect 2 being required thing as a reason to add on that extra $100. Microsoft has taken massive PR hits including the smart ass remark from former boss Don Mattrick. This guy decides to say "Well if you want to play offline, we have a thing for that. Its called the Xbox 360." This was before the DRM reversal and policy change for the Xbox One. What I don't understand is that if they could easily make a software change to where it doesn't need to be checked-in every 24 hours, then why can't they remove the Kinect requirement? Microsoft also took a big hit with the whole headset not being included with the One, that was changed too recently in the last day or so. So on top of the fact that we pay money for Live subscriptions and for points, they tried to get us to buy their headset seperately which ultimately failed. They tried to use the whole Kinect being a microphone too crap as reasoning. That would be counter-productive because it seems they don't understand that its pointless to use Kinect as a microphone in gameplay when you can't hear over the game.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Xbox-One-Will-Include-a-Wired-Chat-Headset-Report-365718.shtml

I'll be getting an Xbox One just for the sake of Halo and my friends but seriously, Microsoft needs to get their shit together and stop trying so hard to get more money than its actually worth.

[Juggernaut9473]

I'm getting an Xbox One mostly just for Halo and maybe other games that interest me. The PS4 is better priced by far, no idea what the hell is going through Microsoft's mind. The limited edition Xbox 360's are $400 and that's pricey enough. They're wanting $500 for just the console, and that's not including a game which obviously adds on another $60. Also, if you don't have Xbox Live or its your first Xbox, then that's another $20-60. Just because there is a token for an achievement and a flashy logo on the controller is absolutely no reason to slap on an extra $100. Its either that, or the fact that they're using the whole Kinect 2 being required thing as a reason to add on that extra $100. Microsoft has taken massive PR hits including the smart ass remark from former boss Don Mattrick. This guy decides to say "Well if you want to play offline, we have a thing for that. Its called the Xbox 360." This was before the DRM reversal and policy change for the Xbox One. What I don't understand is that if they could easily make a software change to where it doesn't need to be checked-in every 24 hours, then why can't they remove the Kinect requirement? Microsoft also took a big hit with the whole headset not being included with the One, that was changed too recently in the last day or so. So on top of the fact that we pay money for Live subscriptions and for points, they tried to get us to buy their headset seperately which ultimately failed. They tried to use the whole Kinect being a microphone too crap as reasoning. That would be counter-productive because it seems they don't understand that its pointless to use Kinect as a microphone in gameplay when you can't hear over the game.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Xbox-One-Will-Include-a-Wired-Chat-Headset-Report-365718.shtml

I'll be getting an Xbox One just for the sake of Halo and my friends but seriously, Microsoft needs to get their shit together and stop trying so hard to get more money than its actually worth.
the reason why it cost more is because it initially had a lot more tech until people started bitching, the 100 now is mostly offset because of the kinect which is 100 by itself

plus now playstation also has to pay for online...check your facts bro

[Sgt Catastrophe]

the reason why it cost more is because it initially had a lot more tech until people started bitching, the 100 now is mostly offset because of the kinect which is 100 by itself

plus now playstation also has to pay for online...check your facts bro

Oh yeah, I know you have to pay now, that's a bummer, I heard that PS+ people are getting BF3 for free which is impressive. But in all seriousness, the Kinect shouldn't be a requirement for the console to even work. Its kind of annoying.

[Anarchy]

I'm getting an Xbox One mostly just for Halo and maybe other games that interest me. The PS4 is better priced by far, no idea what the hell is going through Microsoft's mind. The limited edition Xbox 360's are $400 and that's pricey enough. They're wanting $500 for just the console, and that's not including a game which obviously adds on another $60. Also, if you don't have Xbox Live or its your first Xbox, then that's another $20-60. Just because there is a token for an achievement and a flashy logo on the controller is absolutely no reason to slap on an extra $100. Its either that, or the fact that they're using the whole Kinect 2 being required thing as a reason to add on that extra $100. Microsoft has taken massive PR hits including the smart ass remark from former boss Don Mattrick. This guy decides to say "Well if you want to play offline, we have a thing for that. Its called the Xbox 360." This was before the DRM reversal and policy change for the Xbox One. What I don't understand is that if they could easily make a software change to where it doesn't need to be checked-in every 24 hours, then why can't they remove the Kinect requirement? Microsoft also took a big hit with the whole headset not being included with the One, that was changed too recently in the last day or so. So on top of the fact that we pay money for Live subscriptions and for points, they tried to get us to buy their headset seperately which ultimately failed. They tried to use the whole Kinect being a microphone too crap as reasoning. That would be counter-productive because it seems they don't understand that its pointless to use Kinect as a microphone in gameplay when you can't hear over the game.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Xbox-One-Will-Include-a-Wired-Chat-Headset-Report-365718.shtml

I'll be getting an Xbox One just for the sake of Halo and my friends but seriously, Microsoft needs to get their shit together and stop trying so hard to get more money than its actually worth.

Trying to get money? The extra $100 is more than justified. The PS4 only has like 3 exclusives whereas the XONE is helping support developers and as such is taking away Sony's exclusives that just can't survive on that Sony offers them.

Not to mention the XONE has a custom built processor, which is going to allow for a lot more in terms of performance.

Not to mention the XONE is going to have better online with the addition of servers and support, whereas the PS4 is just now going to hit where the 360 was.


Also, if you don't have Xbox Live or its your first Xbox, then that's another $20-60

Every single Sony gamer is going to have to do that now. You may as well add 60 to the pricetag of every PS4 if we're going by online cost.


If there's one thing that pisses me off, its ignorant remarks about how "The big greedy corporations be bringin us down". The Wii U sells at damn near a profit, Microsoft takes more of a loss than Nintendo on its systems, that's not greedy. And the used game restrictions would have made the gaming world ten times better, with developers actually getting income for more than just the first month or two of a games release, then Gamestop nomming the rest forever. Eventually that would have drove prices down, or at the very least, kept them where they are for a longer period. Right now you pay $60 on a new game with the loses developers take on used game trading being included in that. This wouldn't only help us, it would allow developers to stay alive and make more advancements in gaming rather than following a pattern of developing for survival.

[Graycochea]

Seriously, I started dissing Microsoft, but eventually I changed my mind and wanted the DRM, then they took away the DRM. You guys really changed my mind. I feel like someone should explain how it helped to all the internet trolls. On the surface DRM sucks, but when you go deeper and find out what its about, why, and the deals we could have gotten, I feel like other people would get behind it. I did.

Also, I'm probably in the minority, but I think the Kinect coming with every console is going to be amazing. The Kinect is a truly impressive piece of technology. The only thing is, no one bought it for 360, so no developed for it. Therefore, only dance and fitness games came out on it. I only heard of one game that came out that looked kinda legit. Some horror game, I dunno. Now that everyone has one, I'm hoping some better games will come out for it. A Kinect FPS would be awesome. Stuff like that. That's probably the reason they include it though, is so devs will actually incorporate it into their games; other than just using the voice feature. Also, if they didn't include it, there would be basically no point to the snap and switching features.

I dunno. I'm excited. My body is ready for the X1.

[Sgt Catastrophe]

Trying to get money? The extra $100 is more than justified. The PS4 only has like 3 exclusives whereas the XONE is helping support developers and as such is taking away Sony's exclusives that just can't survive on that Sony offers them.

Not to mention the XONE has a custom built processor, which is going to allow for a lot more in terms of performance.

Not to mention the XONE is going to have better online with the addition of servers and support, whereas the PS4 is just now going to hit where the 360 was.



Every single Sony gamer is going to have to do that now. You may as well add 60 to the pricetag of every PS4 if we're going by online cost.


If there's one thing that pisses me off, its ignorant remarks about how "The big greedy corporations be bringin us down". The Wii U sells at damn near a profit, Microsoft takes more of a loss than Nintendo on its systems, that's not greedy. And the used game restrictions would have made the gaming world ten times better, with developers actually getting income for more than just the first month or two of a games release, then Gamestop nomming the rest forever. Eventually that would have drove prices down, or at the very least, kept them where they are for a longer period. Right now you pay $60 on a new game with the loses developers take on used game trading being included in that. This wouldn't only help us, it would allow developers to stay alive and make more advancements in gaming rather than following a pattern of developing for survival.

I vented a retarded amount anger on a forum, I feel stupid lol

I see what you mean, just so you know, both the PS4 and the Xbox One will be using a custom 8-core apu. I think it just seems like, since Microsoft is adding on the kinect, its justifies the price at what its at. I guess that even when the PS4 also comes with a camera, controller with a touchpad, and the similar 8-core apu, its cheaper because of the lack of exclusives most likely?

I understand wanting to support the developers, I would too. Those patch updates they have are known for being expensive...

[bazongaman502]

Restricting used games = More money to Developers
More money to developers = Happy Developers
Happy Developers = More games

But since we aren't restricting used games anymore

Used games not restricted = little money to the developers
Little money to developers = Unhappy developers
Unhappy developers = Less amount of games or better versions of said game

Chances are this is why Every Developer at least makes a PC game. Because they know they will be making all of the money they deserve.

Xbox One was trying to make them happy to give us more things. But people complained over nothing because they want to save a couple extra bucks and instead all we are getting now is a just an over expensive Xbox 180 with a couple new games with updated graphics.

The Xbox 180 is not the Xbox One I was excited about. Now its just a $500 upgrade to the 360 while the PS4 is just a $400 upgrade to the PS3.

HOORAY FOR RUINING THE FUTURE! >.>

[Graycochea]

It's still more technologically advanced than the PS4. I hate it when people say it's just a 360 update. I love how the DRM is what people consider the defining characteristic that sets it apart from the 360. Since that's gone now, all it is is a 360 with better graphics. A 360 that can switch games, listen to music, watch a movie or turn on with nothing but your voice. A 360 that has the power of 300,000 cloud servers behind it. A 360 that you can do two things on simultaneously. A 360 that you can connect to your cablebox and change channels using your voice. A 360 that can instantly access the internet whenever you want while you're playing, listening, or watching.

Yes, the X1 is just a 360 with better graphics.

[Fiery Grave]

Trying to get money? The extra $100 is more than justified. The PS4 only has like 3 exclusives whereas the XONE is helping support developers and as such is taking away Sony's exclusives that just can't survive on that Sony offers them.

Not to mention the XONE has a custom built processor, which is going to allow for a lot more in terms of performance.

Not to mention the XONE is going to have better online with the addition of servers and support, whereas the PS4 is just now going to hit where the 360 was.



Every single Sony gamer is going to have to do that now. You may as well add 60 to the pricetag of every PS4 if we're going by online cost.


If there's one thing that pisses me off, its ignorant remarks about how "The big greedy corporations be bringin us down". The Wii U sells at damn near a profit, Microsoft takes more of a loss than Nintendo on its systems, that's not greedy. And the used game restrictions would have made the gaming world ten times better, with developers actually getting income for more than just the first month or two of a games release, then Gamestop nomming the rest forever. Eventually that would have drove prices down, or at the very least, kept them where they are for a longer period. Right now you pay $60 on a new game with the loses developers take on used game trading being included in that. This wouldn't only help us, it would allow developers to stay alive and make more advancements in gaming rather than following a pattern of developing for survival.

What he said


I vented a retarded amount anger on a forum, I feel stupid lol

I see what you mean, just so you know, both the PS4 and the Xbox One will be using a custom 8-core apu. I think it just seems like, since Microsoft is adding on the kinect, its justifies the price at what its at. I guess that even when the PS4 also comes with a camera, controller with a touchpad, and the similar 8-core apu, its cheaper because of the lack of exclusives most likely?

I understand wanting to support the developers, I would too. Those patch updates they have are known for being expensive...


except the processor

The PS4's processor is the same model as the one in first gen 360's, you know the one infamous for red ringing... its the jaguar chip set from i believe intel

And yes intel does make great chips the custom one in the X1 will be designed specifically for that hardware knowing it wont be used with any other it can be optimized to an extream extent to make it work better than any comparable processor.

its not only more expensive because of the kinect, but because of the tech behind it and its uses far outnumber the uses of the PS4. the impressive server count alone would more than cover that cost.


Restricting used games = More money to Developers
More money to developers = Happy Developers
Happy Developers = More games

But since we aren't restricting used games anymore

Used games not restricted = little money to the developers
Little money to developers = Unhappy developers
Unhappy developers = Less amount of games or better versions of said game

Chances are this is why Every Developer at least makes a PC game. Because they know they will be making all of the money they deserve.

Xbox One was trying to make them happy to give us more things. But people complained over nothing because they want to save a couple extra bucks and instead all we are getting now is a just an over expensive Xbox 180 with a couple new games with updated graphics.

The Xbox 180 is not the Xbox One I was excited about. Now its just a $500 upgrade to the 360 while the PS4 is just a $400 upgrade to the PS3.

HOORAY FOR RUINING THE FUTURE! >.>

its more like this
Used games not restricted = little money to the publishers
Little money to the publishers = less money to invest on more/new games
less money to invest on more/new games = Less new games, more beaten to death series, less time to develop games

Less new games, more beaten to death series, less time to develop games = shitty games and sad consumers
shitty games and sad consumers = less money to publishers
repeat

[Sgt Catastrophe]

except the processor

The PS4's processor is the same model as the one in first gen 360's, you know the one infamous for red ringing... its the jaguar chip set from i believe intel

And yes intel does make great chips the custom one in the X1 will be designed specifically for that hardware knowing it wont be used with any other it can be optimized to an extream extent to make it work better than any comparable processor.

its not only more expensive because of the kinect, but because of the tech behind it and its uses far outnumber the uses of the PS4. the impressive server count alone would more than cover that cost.

Intel isn't making the X1's or PS4's processor. AMD is making both. Jaguar is a new micro-architecture that is meant to be low power. They are both 8-core. They are both new CPUs/APUs, not recycled ones from the last generation. The Xbox 360 runs off a triple-core PowerPC 64 bit CPU that was designed and made by IBM. Just letting you know!

New AMD Jaguar Architecture: http://technewspedia.com/the-new-micro-architecture-amd-jaguar/
Playstation 4: http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=12804 83
Xbox One: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Xbox-One-APU-Jaguar-Radeon-Next-Generation,22726.html

[Fiery Grave]

Intel isn't making the X1's or PS4's processor. AMD is making both. Jaguar is a new micro-architecture that is meant to be low power. They are both 8-core. They are both new CPUs/APUs, not recycled ones from the last generation. The Xbox 360 runs off a triple-core PowerPC 64 bit CPU that was designed and made by IBM. Just letting you know!

New AMD Jaguar Architecture: http://technewspedia.com/the-new-micro-architecture-amd-jaguar/
Playstation 4: http://www.eetimes.com/document.asp?doc_id=12804 83
Xbox One: http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Xbox-One-APU-Jaguar-Radeon-Next-Generation,22726.html

fair i was miss informed.

But still essentially sony went "make us a CPU" and microsoft went "help us make a CPU"

[Maxdoggy]

The Kinect 2.0 is no longer required for operation of the Xbox One:

http://kotaku.com/xbox-one-wont-actually-need-kinect-plugged-in-microso-1113142909

[Zeta Crossfire]

Wow this is some crazy reversal. Now lower the price, sell me a version without kinect and I'll me all over that day 1 edition.

[Maxdoggy]

Also, in-depth video and article on the new Xbox One controller:

http://kotaku.com/how-the-xbox-one-controller-has-changed-1109126240

[KazuhLLL]

The Kinect 2.0 is no longer required for operation of the Xbox One:

http://kotaku.com/xbox-one-wont-actually-need-kinect-plugged-in-microso-1113142909

:(

[Maxdoggy]

Xbox One and Xbox 360 users cannot voice-chat cross-consoles. http://www.polygon.com/2013/8/12/4615482/xbox-one-and-xbox-360-users-cant-voice-chat-across-platforms