Xbox One vs PS4

[Blackhawk570]

Xbox One Exclusives

Dead Rising 3 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HX-RdKxavSo)
Forza 5 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYTx9DFWMSI)
Halo 5 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1qSTpClAybI)
Killer Instinct (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBUyUfHzxDE)
Minecraft Xbox One Edition (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unVcuWYW0GI)
Plants vs Zombies: Garden Warfare (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYjUrHOY7A4)
Project Spark (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m37sVEgJrOA)
Quantum Break (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KHpRSiZ7lqQ)
RYSE: Son of Rome (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4MfYuP6L44k)
Sunset Overdrive (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FqJdZQPBDF0)
Titanfall (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaJdCkoLCIo)
World of Tanks (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WF7jeCgYtDM)


Pros
Better Exclusives
2 Free Permanent Games a Month with Xbox Live membership
Streaming via Twitch
DVR
Xbox Glass Usage
300,000 more Xbox Live Servers
Kinect included with console
TV integration

Cons
Higher Price
Non-Backwards Compatible

Concerns (Before Microsoft Changed Their Policies)

Xbox One DRM

Reason for adding DRM. Video Game companies are being hurt by the selling of pre-owned games. Any pre-owned game being sell is being put into the pockets of the retailers pocket and none is going into the video gaming companies.

In order to play games you must be logged in at least once every 24-hours.

Pre-owned Games

However, with the new DRM it will allow customers to still trade in games with select retailers such as Gamestop using a licensing system. Basically when you install a game to your hard drive a license is linked to your xbox live account. In order to trade in a used game to retailers you must delete the license on your account and it will be checked by the retailer. So far there is no difference between this system of pre-owned games and current system of the pre-owned games, but companies like EA have the option of charging you a fee that will directly support the manufacturers of the game. This is OPTIONAL and EA has already expressed they will probably not charge you a fee.

Selling Games Privately, Renting Games, and Access to your Gaming Library

The way to sell games privately via the Xbox One is by having someone in your friends list for 30 days. Also you must use the Transfer Wizard program on the Xbox One to transfer the game. This action is un-reversible, so you can only do this once.

Xbox One confirmed there is no way to rent games.

Any game you install on your Xbox One console is accessible from any other Xbox One console, but you must be signed into the User that has game registered to your account. This will allow people to bring your whole gaming library to another person's house without bringing your discs with you.

Article (http://www.bit-tech.net/news/gaming/2013/06/07/xbox-one-drm/1)

Tv Integration/Kinect Voice Commands

With the TV integration you will be allowed to hop from different inputs such as tv, games, movies, music, and apps almost instantly using voice commands. Also there will be different ways of multitasking such as using skype while watching a movie. This is meant to be an all-in-one entertainment system.

Article 1 (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xboxone/meet-xbox-one)
Article 2 (http://www.xbox.com/en-US/xboxone/what-it-is)

Xbox LIVE changes

Xbox LIVE Gold for families. After killing the Xbox LIVE Gold Family Pack earlier this year, Microsoft will expand the existing Xbox LIVE Gold subscription for individuals to include “anyone in your home” at no additional cost. The price isn’t changing, so this is a tremendous deal. (Within the confines of Microsoft still requiring a paid subscription.)

Local currency support. Starting this fall, you will be able to purchase games, movies, apps and entertainment in your local currency instead of being forced to use Microsoft’s silly Microsoft Points system. “We are moving away from Microsoft Points,” Microsoft says. Amen!

Cloud features. Finally owning up to the fact that the Xbox LIVE backend indeed utilizes Microsoft’s powerful Azure cloud services, Microsoft is now explaining how this will fundamentally change your Xbox One user experience. All of your games and entertainment content will be stored and saved on Xbox Live, so you can access them anytime from any Xbox One console. Xbox One will always be up-to-date and ready when you are, thanks to background updating. Developers can take advantage of “the 300,000 servers backing Xbox LIVE” starting this fall.

Gamerscore. Yes, your hard-earned Gamerscore will carry over from the Xbox 360, which makes sense as it’s tied to your Xbox account, not the console.

Reputation. A new Xbox LIVE capability, reputation rewards healthy participation while reducing troublemakers and cheaters. We’ll see: This stuff is broken today in Xbox 360.

Smart Match. Where Xbox LIVE supports matchmaking today, Xbox One will improve on that with Smart Match, which will match players based on skill, language and reputation. Asynchronous matchmaking means you can play a game, watch TV or listen to music while Smart Match finds your perfect match, then you can jump in instantly when it’s ready.

Social features. Microsoft is adding a number of new social features to Xbox LIVE, including a Game DVR feature, an Upload Studio for adding voice overs, skins, slow motion and other features to your recorded clips, and Twitch, a way to broadcast your games in real-time or to take on an interactive spectator role leveraging chat functionality as you view content from multitudes of other streamers.

Entertainment features. Xbox One will be accompanied by an improved Xbox SmartGlass “second screen” experience (console power on and off, adjust volume, manage your TV set-top box and Blu-ray, and more), a new Xbox OneGuide for navigate and watching live TV without switching inputs, and a new, more conversational interface for Kinect voice control.

Copied from here (http://winsupersite.com/xbox/xbox-one-preview-pricing-xbox-live-changes-launch-games)
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PS4 Exclusives

Beyond: Two Souls (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UI2Y5gsE0d0)
Drive Club (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=INNS-zhmFZI)
Gran Turismo 6 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjySmF5IGO8)
InFAMOUS Second Son (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uibnf_Q_51s)
Killzone: Shadow Fall (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ezTaAExI-FU)
The Order 1886 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1fNa55oZSsY)

Pros
Possible Video/Music Streaming Service to compete with Xbox Music/Video (also has Netflix)
Streaming via uStream
Party Chat
$100 Less than Xbox One
Limited Backwards Compatability in 2014 via Gaikai
18(I think) Free games per month
PS Vita
Supports Indie Games

Cons
Non-Backwards Compatible (To be partially resolved in the future via Gaikai in 2014)
Exclusives are lacking right now
PlayStation Online Service Fee about $5 ($60 for a year; same as Xbox Live)
PS+ now required for online multiplayer

Concerns

PS+

Playstation Plus is required for Online Multiplayer for $50 a year.

Some of the features for having Playstation Plus are:

Discounted Games
Cloud Saves
Automatic Game Updates
Early Access to Beta Programs
Instant Game Collection

Article (http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/10/ps4-to-require-ps-plus-membership-for-multiplayer-play/)

Gaikai Cloud Service

The PlayStation 4's cloud-based streaming features will be coming to the new console in early 2014, Sony revealed during the company's E3 press conference.

Sadly missing the console's "Holiday 2013" launch window, game streaming will be provided by Gaikai, giving access to plenty of "critically acclaimed" PS3 and PS4 games. It's a particularly important service, seeing as the PlayStation 4 won't be backwards compatible with PS3 discs.

Vita games will also be available for streaming, though that feature too is expected to land a little further down the line again.

It is not yet clear whether the streaming launch in early 2014 will be global, or just for select territories

Copied from here (http://www.techdigest.tv/2013/06/ps4_gaikai_ps3.html)

PS4 Features

This Article really explains the features of the PS4 really well. There is too much information to post here so check it out yourself

Article (http://www.techradar.com/us/news/gaming/consoles/ps4-release-date-news-and-features-937822)
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Games on Both

Assassin's Creed: Black Flag (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDlEwUP7lps)
Call of Duty Ghosts (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gohAxMYauPQ)
Destiny (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-2fI0A7NoM0)
Diablo 3 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=de2KlsLnIVU)
Dragon Age: Inquisition (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SpEsgxlZqro)
Dying Light (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jpfc2ibnsMI)
Elder Scrolls Online (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHj5VvFWbtE)
Final Fantasy 15 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P3xKbPooKAo)
GTA 5 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A0RLOOyhr9M)
Kingdom Hearts 3 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3LD-3tHgoU)
Mad Max (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VBpDO45cJms)
Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4iil5sppPvM)
Mirrors Edge 2 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fB4ZZ-2xVWE)
Need for Speed Rivals (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zph2UL09tLM)
South Park: The Stick of Truth (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5tLmOcBjYFg)
Splinter Cell Blacklist (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rQZLZKPHelQ)
Star Wars: Battlefront 3 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_vWs6MpBfo)
The Crew (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SxfzlfdRhE)
The Division (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njfj6KwEAfg)
The Evil Within (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_PhYh36H6-U)
The Witcher 3: Wild Hunt (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TZ_G6XiHoUA)
Thief (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qwnHLHdxvqw)
Trails: Fusion (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dIq4oip5CAk)
Watch Dogs (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kPYgXvgS6Ww)
Wolfenstein: The New Order (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JA1QB-h1c4I)

Still working on this

[Zeta Crossfire]

Getting a PS4 and then a Xbox One. I probably, unless I'm weak, not get one until Titan Falls or another Halo game comes out


Also PS plus is 50 for a year, xbox is 60. Not 60 MORE then ps. It's actually 10 dollars less.

[Maxdoggy]

PS4 is going the way of the Xbox and is now requiring PS+ for online multiplayer.

http://kotaku.com/ps4-video-says-playstation-plus-is-mandatory-for-online-512482325

[MedeDust]

For the record, Microsoft never stated that you can't play offline, nor did they state that you can't play used games.

[Blackhawk570]

For the record, Microsoft never stated that you can't play offline, nor did they state that you can't play used games.

They said there would be a fee for playing used games.

[ThatAwkardGuy]

I am leaning towards the ps4 but xbox is my bread and butter.

[Mythonian]

Also PS plus is 50 for a year, xbox is 60. Not 60 MORE then ps. It's actually 10 dollars less.

They said PS+ is now $5 a month, which is $60.

Same price.

[Maxdoggy]

Fixed a few things for you on the OP, Blackhawk.

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They said there would be a fee for playing used games.

In the initial talks after the Xbox One event, there was confusion. Microsoft clarified themselves and said that it was up to Publishers if a fee existed.

[Blackhawk570]

Fixed a few things for you on the OP, Blackhawk.

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In the initial talks after the Xbox One event, there was confusion. Microsoft clarified themselves and said that it was up to Publishers if a fee existed.

Ok I was editing it so make sure it is correct.

[Maxdoggy]

Ok I was editing it so make sure it is correct.

Fixed it.

[Graycochea]

Xbox One Exclusives

Titanfall
RYSE
Quantum Break
Spark
Forza 5
Halo 5
Killer Instinct
Minecraft
World of Tanks

Pros
Better Exclusives
2 Free Games a Month with Xbox Live membership
Twitch
DVR
Xbox Glass Usage
300,000 more Xbox Live Servers
Non-Backwards Compatible

Cons
DRM
Higher Price
Used Games Free
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PS4 Exclusives

FF15
Kingdom Hearts
InFAMOUS Second Son
Beyond: Two Souls
Killzone: Shadow Fall
Grant Turismo 6
Drive Club

Pros
No Drm
Supports Preowned Games
Possible Video Streaming Service
Party Chat

Cons
Non-Backwards Compatible
Exclusives are lacking right now
PlayStation Online Service Fee about $5 ($60 for a year/More than Xbox Live ($50))
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Games on Both
Assassin's Creed Black Flag
Destiny
Watch_Dogs
GTA 5
Need for Speed Rivals
The Crew
Sunset Overdrive
Diablo 3
Elder Scrolls Online
The Division
Splinter Cell Blacklist
Metal Gear Solid V: The Phantom Pain

Still working on this

Um, fix'd.

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Did they actually show a Kingdom Hearts trailer? My life will be complete.

[THExSPIDERMAN]

I think Xbox one can stream as well.

[Blackhawk570]

What Revan quoted was outdated. I meant a video streaming service to compete with Netflix.

[Zeta Crossfire]

So... Will FC survive the transfer to the Xbox one if most people don't buy it? How rough was the transition from Xbox to Xbox 360

[Blackhawk570]

So far the exclusives on the Xbox are keeping me on the xbox. Also the streaming service is going to be awesome.

[MedeDust]

Xbox ready has tv services, ppv, epix, netflix, and redbox instant and a lot more stuff. Guys, everything that PS4 will release, xbox already has right now.

[MedeDust]

So... Will FC survive the transfer to the Xbox one if most people don't buy it? How rough was the transition from Xbox to Xbox 360
There wasn't one. But we'll make it no worries.

[KazuhLLL]

Added a few things.

[VerbotenDonkey]

2 Free Games a Month with Xbox Live membership

Wasn't that only for the 360 users? >.> Dunno if that would carry over to the XBO.

[Graycochea]

I like the PS4's exclusives. Kingdom Hearts man.

[Boneill1621]

Agree with MedeDust. The Playstation 4 highlights things that are staples with the Xbox Live service as it is now. People may disagree but the Playstation 4 isn't reaching with their console. It is a conservative approach that wants to keep the status quo without really shaking things up. At least Microsoft is giving us something new with these TV features, streaming services, DVR and a more stable cloud. The Kinect seems like a useful feature now that its had its makeover. I know many people don't like Windows 8 but once they get it fixed (which they will) that type of integration with a console system is something that you can't ignore. The Xbox One will make the app market on Windows devices better and there might even a reason to buy one (Surface Pros are actually nice). SkyDrive is a real service which rivals Google docs and most likely will be the place where your recorded games, videos, music and more will be stored. I don't know what Playstation will role out but it definitely won't have the support Microsoft's cloud service does.

I wrote an article on my blog (shameless plug http://station1621.blogspot.com/2013/06/xbox-one-future-of-gaming-or-just.html) that highlights how Microsoft cannot lose this console war or at least that they need the Xbox One to succeed. The amount of money they will throw at this console will trump Sony just because it represents a market share that Apple and Google don't yet control. With the $100 price difference I can see how people are torn but the one area that Playstation use to control, exclusive games, doesn't seem to be an area of dominance any more.

Its a thing of preference for which one to buy but its objective to say there are more unique features and support on the Xbox One.

[Zeta Crossfire]

Whatever system the Division plays best on will be the one I play the most.

[Graycochea]

Honestly, the reason I wouldn't get an X1 is because I don't like all the superfluous crap they put on their dashboard. They beat one over the head with the tabs and advertisements. I loved the XMB so much. I hope the PS4 has an XMB that's just as modest as the PS3's, of course, I haven't been on a PS3 in a while so I don't know what it looks like. I'll get the X1, I just hope you can turn off the tabby things on the dashboard if you don't want them. Like the App one and... actually, I only know that Home is one of them. I never pay attention to the others.

[Fiery Grave]

I found the sony conference was like "look at these third party games(meaning both consoles) and these beaten out series we have have" "Ohh hey your not allowed to know about the hardware yet but those microsoft jerks are doing new things that are diffrent! BOOO!"

Thats what it felt like was going on

[Blackhawk570]

Main Processor
Single Chip Custom Processor
CPU: low power x86-64 "Jaguar", 8 cores
GPU: 1.84 TFLOPS, AMD Radeon™ Graphics Core Next engine
Memory
GDDR5 8GB
Hard Disk Drive
Built-in
Optical Drive (Read Only)
BD 6xCAV
DVD 8xCAV
I/O
Super-Speed USB (USB 3.0), AUX
Communication
Ethernet (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T)
IEEE 802.11 b/g/n
Bluetooth® 2.1 (EDR)
A/V Output
HDMI
Analog-AV out
Digital Output (optical)

from gamestop's website for the PS4

[Fiery Grave]

Main Processor
Single Chip Custom Processor
CPU: low power x86-64 "Jaguar", 8 cores
GPU: 1.84 TFLOPS, AMD Radeon™ Graphics Core Next engine
Memory
GDDR5 8GB
Hard Disk Drive
Built-in
Optical Drive (Read Only)
BD 6xCAV
DVD 8xCAV
I/O
Super-Speed USB (USB 3.0), AUX
Communication
Ethernet (10BASE-T, 100BASE-TX, 1000BASE-T)
IEEE 802.11 b/g/n
Bluetooth® 2.1 (EDR)
A/V Output
HDMI
Analog-AV out
Digital Output (optical)

from gamestop's website for the PS4

Im talking stuff like "move" because you know they are not letting that market go. I may have missed that stuff at some point i have been doing stuff today and haven't been following it that closely... they also haven't been going into what it can do with that... like specs dont mean crap on consoles because its not that hard to get a computer more powerful than that.. i guess hardware was wrong term.. im meaning... fuck i dont know how to word it
. Microsofts reveal was all about the hardware and what its going to be capable of doing... reason how its helping me a person who wants to get stuff done and fast

[Blackhawk570]

Xbox One on Licensing

With our modern architecture, Xbox One games will load more quickly, will be always accessible from the cloud, and there is no physical limit to the size or scope of the content provided.

Here are our platform policies and capabilities for game licensing – all of which will be made available when Xbox One launches later this year:

Buy the way you want—disc or digital—on the same day: You’ll be able to buy disc-based games at traditional retailers or online through Xbox Live, on day of release. Discs will continue to be a great way to install your games quickly.

Access your entire games library from any Xbox One—no discs required: After signing in and installing, you can play any of your games from any Xbox One because a digital copy of your game is stored on your console and in the cloud. So, for example, while you are logged in at your friend’s house, you can play your games.

Share access to your games with everyone inside your home: Your friends and family, your guests and acquaintances get unlimited access to all of your games. Anyone can play your games on your console--regardless of whether you are logged in or their relationship to you.

Give your family access to your entire games library anytime, anywhere: Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time.

Trade-in and resell your disc-based games: Today, some gamers choose to sell their old disc-based games back for cash and credit. We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers. Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games.

Give your games to friends: Xbox One is designed so game publishers can enable you to give your disc-based games to your friends. There are no fees charged as part of these transfers. There are two requirements: you can only give them to people who have been on your friends list for at least 30 days and each game can only be given once.

In our role as a game publisher, Microsoft Studios will enable you to give your games to friends or trade in your Xbox One games at participating retailers. Third party publishers may opt in or out of supporting game resale and may set up business terms or transfer fees with retailers. Microsoft does not receive any compensation as part of this. In addition, third party publishers can enable you to give games to friends. Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners.

As we move into this new generation of games and entertainment, from time to time, Microsoft may change its policies, terms, products and services to reflect modifications and improvements to our services, feedback from customers and our business partners or changes in our business priorities and business models or for other reasons. We may also cease to offer certain services or products for similar reasons.

In the months ahead, we will continue to listen to your feedback as we meet with our partners in the ecosystem to bring additional detail about our policies.

We are excited about this new generation of games and entertainment and look forward to sharing more news with our fans.

This is how you do it on PS4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA

Xbox One and PS4 Comparison

http://i.imgur.com/f8IgxgW.jpg

More fun :D
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[RaZ Vader]

Microsoft goofed. Let's see if they change their ways.

I personally do not care about the DVR, Twitch, Netflix, or TV. Their is only a few Xbox Live exclusives that I'll miss out on.

Yeah.. Right now I'm going back to my roots. The PS4. Everything I hear, I see, I research... I love. For me. The PS4 is the console for me at this point.

Cheaper. A little more powerful. The online expiernece for ps4 will improve.

I just don't like the fact that its possible that I always have to be online to play a single player game. And the price and the kinect.

I hate the kinect and I don't want it.

[zZ Dr K Zz]

PS4 for me as well. If not alone for how goddamn beautiful Destiny looked, but for the price. To me, Microsoft doesn't have much over the PS4, especially when I can get all of those streaming services on the computer/PS4.

Also, this, especially this:


I hate the kinect and I don't want it.

(I'll eventually end up getting both though)

[Anarchy]

Only thing I want on the Xbox One is Halo, Forza, and simply the network of friends I have on XBL. That last one is the kicker for me.


I'll most likely buy the PS4 first. I don't trust Microsoft's release model systems, I don't want another RROD. I'll then get an Xbox One the following summer most likely, though. The 360 will feed my Halo need fine until 5.

Project Spark looked kinda cool though too tbh xD. I may just get Christmas money in the winter and get whatever I don't get first...

[RaZ Vader]

I'll never understand the concept of owning 2 gaming consoles.

Only reason I see is the exclusives? That isn't enough reason for me to pay an extra $500 and $60/yr to play few exclusives.

But hey. If you got the money to splurge to pay for 2 consoles that basically do the same thing , and just have a few exclusive titles you may be ineterested in playing for a few months. Go right ahead. Who am I to judge?

[Anarchy]

I'll never understand the concept of owning 2 gaming consoles.

Only reason I see is the exclusives? That isn't enough reason for me to pay an extra $500 and $60/yr to play few exclusives.

But hey. If you got the money to splurge to pay for 2 consoles that basically do the same thing , and just have a few exclusive titles you may be ineterested in playing for a few months. Go right ahead. Who am I to judge?

Didn't you have a PS3? XP

Also this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kWSIFh8ICaA

It's also not so much splurging considering I'll probably be hitting 30 the next time a new generation of systems is released.

[MedeDust]

Yeah I'm waiting for the price drop, which will come, then ill get the one and have as much fun as I can cause its luxury no matter how you see it.

[bazongaman502]

Am I the only person in the world that still has the Launch Xbox 360 and still has yet to get the RROD? XD

Xbox, in my opinion, is still the top dog. Today, Sony showed they are trying to take #1 spot right off the bat. And I bet they will do it, but I doubt they will hold it for very long.

Playstation has always been #2 ever since the Xbox was released. They always stayed back and looked for a way to beat out the Xbox. And they seemed to have found it. But did they really beat it? I think not. Like others have said, alot of the things Playstation is now going to have, Xbox was already doing. But the same goes to Microsoft. Microsoft added Internet Explorer to compete against Playstation 3's Internet Browser and having a BLU Ray player.

The exclusives for the Xbox seem more unique in my opinion. While most of Playstations is almost the same as the Playstation 3's. Playstation seems to be getting the samething, lower price and a few tweeks here and there.

The "Always Online" is being taken in the wrong direction from people. Honestly, you're telling me you disconnect from the internet just to play Single Player? I highly doubt you do. I believe more that you "Appear Offline", but at that you are still connected. People say that the internet is still unreliable. That's not true at all. That appears to be your problem and not Microsofts. I suggest looking into a new provider if that's a problem for you.

Used games? I could careless. I sell my games all the time, but I later end up regretting it a lot. This gives me a reason to not sell my games or loan them to people and never see them again.

People are taking the Xbox One in more negative ways than they really should. It really is not that bad. They are moving more into the future of things, while Sony is catching up to todays wants and needs while Microsoft is trying to advance. Trust me, 2-3 years from now, the Xbox will be #1 yet again because how advanced it is. Playstation will drop again and they will go for a big run on the next-next-gen.

Look at when the PS3 first came out. Everyone said it was #1, yet the Xbox always outsold it up until December of last year. That is 6 years of being #2 when it was first planned to be #1.

Microsoft has made mistakes before, I can not deny that. But they aren't really that stupid like people think they are. Microsoft will continue to be #1 even if it mean the first year starting at #2.

Also, I called several Gamestop Locations today and they have said they are running out of Xbox One pre-orders and not much activity for the PS4. But then again, the PS4 was announced an hour before the Gamestops around me close. Tomorrow could change, but its safe to say the Xbox One is still getting a big attention from a lot of people.

And Im going to be extreamly hated for this, but am I the only one that felt a little let down by the gameplay of Destinys multiplayer? Like it was good, but I expected better. It seems like its a Post Apocalyptic Halo and a Borderlands mixture. Still excited for the game none the less, but im more excited for Ryse.

EDIT: Also, I believe what really gave Sony a good push today was the low blow attacks to Microsoft at the end. Calling out their competitor like that after their competitors only chance to really stand out was rather unfair. But then again, it was a tactical move by Sony to get that last push off.

[Jam Cliché]

Am I the only person in the world that still has the Launch Xbox 360 and still has yet to get the RROD? XD

Ooooh, ooh! Me! No red ring here! Original 2005 360 right here

[bazongaman502]

Ooooh, ooh! Me! No red ring here! Original 2005 360 right here

:party:

[Jam Cliché]

:party:

Also, the best way for Xbox to capitalize on Sony's mention of used games is just to offer lower retail prices on games. The whole point on the possibility of used game restrictions is to increase revenue, and if revenue is up, prices should go down.

[Graycochea]

Honestly, you're telling me you disconnect from the internet just to play Single Player? I highly doubt you do.

People say that the internet is still unreliable. That's not true at all. That appears to be your problem and not Microsofts.

It seems like its a Post Apocalyptic Halo and a Borderlands mixture.



1. Believe it buster, I played offline this morning. I have my Xbox specifically set so it doesn't auto-sign in to my XBL account, just my profile. (Non-related)I'm so fed up with the Dashboard and its crap that I set it to go straight into my games.

2. Soldiers, dorm students, and Appalachian Americans, which probably makes up a pretty big part of Xbox revenue stream. Just saying.

3. Which I saw coming. You people have been hyping that game up so much. I'm keeping a level head and not worrying about Destiny so when I finally get it, it blows me away. Also, comparing it to Halo is just poor form. Keep doing that and it'll never live up to anyone's expectations. Halo built a legacy and raised a generation. Don't lump those two together just because they were made by the same company. While on the subject of Destiny being "like" Halo, Halo seems a lot like Marathon in my opinion.

Honestly, I don't know why there's such a huge debate anyway. Weigh the pros and cons and decide which one you want. Don't point fingers or smear the other. I know I'll eventually get both of them starting with the Playstation(unless my mom has her way). Not even because I think the Playstation is better, just because that's the way it's always been in my house. I get the Playstation 2 then I got the Xbox, I got the Playstation 3 and then I got the 360. Why do you even care which one sells more? Are you making any of that money? Why does it matter which is 1st and which is 2nd? Example, Call of Duty is "winning" against Halo. Do I care? Not in the slightest. Don't get me wrong, I hate Call of Duty, but not because it's beating Halo. I hate Call of Duty because its storylines suck. I used to be sick of WWII, but I think they should have stuck to what they knew. Naturally, I'll play Ghosts to see if they've figured out how to write a story. They have a legitimate writer now, so hopefully. Anyway, flaming PS because you like XB or flaming XB because you like PS is stupid.

--G

[RaZ Vader]

I never had both systems at once. Either one or the other.

[Maxdoggy]

Blackhawk, PS+ is "less than $5" and will most likely be set at $50/yr. XBL has been $60 ($5/month) almost since the advent of the 360.

[Blackhawk570]

Blackhawk, PS+ is "less than $5" and will most likely be set at $50/yr. XBL has been $60 ($5/month) almost since the advent of the 360.

It could literally be $4.99 per month so until they get a legit price I am assuming that lol. I didn't know they bumped the live price up to $60.

[Boneill1621]

To protect yourself out there on the frontier of the internet Xbox One fans:

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[Al Capone111]

Get the system you want and be happy with it. If your not joining us in 2014/2015 on Halo 5, well bye. It's been fun.

And if someone isn't getting your system, so what? It isn't your concern nor your problem.

[RaZ Vader]

Im going to start a cult.

JOIN THE PS4! JOIN THE PS4! also.. this...

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[Blackhawk570]

For me personally the once every 24 hour thing won't affect me unless there is a internet outage.

I don't trade in my games because that is a complete rip off.

I don't rent.

I do lend some of my games but now that means my greedy bastard friends have to get a job now :D

I don't really sell my games.

[Maxdoggy]

For me personally the once every 24 hour thing won't affect me unless there is a internet outage.

I don't trade in my games because that is a complete rip off.

I don't rent.

I do lend some of my games but now that means my greedy bastard friends have to get a job now :D

I don't really sell my games.


I'm basically the same way.

The only difference is that I /do/ rent at Blockbuster during the summer. I hope they make a deal with GameFly and Blockbuster to allow for renting to still be a thing.

[RaZ Vader]

and I personally don't want to talk at my TV! lol

[bazongaman502]

1. Believe it buster, I played offline this morning. I have my Xbox specifically set so it doesn't auto-sign in to my XBL account, just my profile. (Non-related)I'm so fed up with the Dashboard and its crap that I set it to go straight into my games.

2. Soldiers, dorm students, and Appalachian Americans, which probably makes up a pretty big part of Xbox revenue stream. Just saying.

3. Which I saw coming. You people have been hyping that game up so much. I'm keeping a level head and not worrying about Destiny so when I finally get it, it blows me away. Also, comparing it to Halo is just poor form. Keep doing that and it'll never live up to anyone's expectations. Halo built a legacy and raised a generation. Don't lump those two together just because they were made by the same company. While on the subject of Destiny being "like" Halo, Halo seems a lot like Marathon in my opinion.

Honestly, I don't know why there's such a huge debate anyway. Weigh the pros and cons and decide which one you want. Don't point fingers or smear the other. I know I'll eventually get both of them starting with the Playstation(unless my mom has her way). Not even because I think the Playstation is better, just because that's the way it's always been in my house. I get the Playstation 2 then I got the Xbox, I got the Playstation 3 and then I got the 360. Why do you even care which one sells more? Are you making any of that money? Why does it matter which is 1st and which is 2nd? Example, Call of Duty is "winning" against Halo. Do I care? Not in the slightest. Don't get me wrong, I hate Call of Duty, but not because it's beating Halo. I hate Call of Duty because its storylines suck. I used to be sick of WWII, but I think they should have stuck to what they knew. Naturally, I'll play Ghosts to see if they've figured out how to write a story. They have a legitimate writer now, so hopefully. Anyway, flaming PS because you like XB or flaming XB because you like PS is stupid.

--G

Microsofts #1 attention has always been North America. Europe and other places have been 2nd priority (just look at the releases of games and such).

Im not bashing Sony nor have I.

I never hyped up Destiny. It looked like a good game, but nothing really grabbed me to go crazy for it like most.

Iv seen more flaming at the Xbox compared to the PS4. This happens all the time. Sony has always had a larger fanbase because they target hardcore gamers. Microsoft has always tried to find ways to connect families together by 1 box. Either through gaming or television.

The people overseas deal though? Are you one of them? Is it affecting you? Highly doubt it. So I don't see why you are upset about it. Let them be upset about it because its a problem to them and not you.

[Sicarioano]

I think I'll just stick with my Gameboy Colour

[xlxMETHANExlx]

Killer Instinct!

[KazuhLLL]

For me personally the once every 24 hour thing won't affect me unless there is a internet outage.

I don't trade in my games because that is a complete rip off.

I don't rent.

I do lend some of my games but now that means my greedy bastard friends have to get a job now :D

I don't really sell my games.

Eeeeexactly. No "downside" of the X1 affects me, and the positives that do come with the downsides do affect me. So basically I get all of the positives and none of the negatives lol.

Sony has been really cheap and sneaky when it's come to announcing the next gen. They announced their private event first but didn't show the console, forcing MS to show theirs first. Then at E3 they got to go last, forcing MS to also release their pricing first, and just made cheap shot jokes towards MS to end the night and in the midst of the applause from their fanboys they snuck in the fact that PS+ will now be required for online multiplayer, which up til now has been a maaaajor selling point of the PS3.

[Fiery Grave]

Used games? I could careless. I sell my games all the time, but I later end up regretting it a lot. This gives me a reason to not sell my games or loan them to people and never see them again.

This a LOT^^


Im going to start a cult.

JOIN THE PS4! JOIN THE PS4! also.. this...

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go to the website at the bottom of that image... it contradicts half of what it on that page... your left with the 24hr online thing and lending games.


For me personally the once every 24 hour thing won't affect me unless there is a internet outage.

I don't trade in my games because that is a complete rip off.

I don't rent.

I do lend some of my games but now that means my greedy bastard friends have to get a job now :D

I don't really sell my games.

This seems to be coming form people who think about it and not rallying hate for no raisn. I see a lot of people saying the same thing... I guess we have to remember that the people who dont like it are going to be a lot more vocal than the people who do.

[bazongaman502]

Eeeeexactly. No "downside" of the X1 affects me, and the positives that do come with the downsides do affect me. So basically I get all of the positives and none of the negatives lol.

Sony has been really cheap and sneaky when it's come to announcing the next gen. They announced their private event first but didn't show the console, forcing MS to show theirs first. Then at E3 they got to go last, forcing MS to also release their pricing first, and just made cheap shot jokes towards MS to end the night and in the midst of the applause from their fanboys they snuck in the fact that PS+ will now be required for online multiplayer, which up til now has been a maaaajor selling point of the PS3.

100% agree. Personally I believe Microsoft did a much better job at their conference compared to Sony. Micorosft did what they said they would do. Sony did cheap shots to get a lead on its competitor. But watch, it probably will backfire on Sony in a way.

[Boneill1621]

1. Believe it buster, I played offline this morning. I have my Xbox specifically set so it doesn't auto-sign in to my XBL account, just my profile. (Non-related)I'm so fed up with the Dashboard and its crap that I set it to go straight into my games.

2. Soldiers, dorm students, and Appalachian Americans, which probably makes up a pretty big part of Xbox revenue stream. Just saying.

3. Which I saw coming. You people have been hyping that game up so much. I'm keeping a level head and not worrying about Destiny so when I finally get it, it blows me away. Also, comparing it to Halo is just poor form. Keep doing that and it'll never live up to anyone's expectations. Halo built a legacy and raised a generation. Don't lump those two together just because they were made by the same company. While on the subject of Destiny being "like" Halo, Halo seems a lot like Marathon in my opinion.

Honestly, I don't know why there's such a huge debate anyway. Weigh the pros and cons and decide which one you want. Don't point fingers or smear the other. I know I'll eventually get both of them starting with the Playstation(unless my mom has her way). Not even because I think the Playstation is better, just because that's the way it's always been in my house. I get the Playstation 2 then I got the Xbox, I got the Playstation 3 and then I got the 360. Why do you even care which one sells more? Are you making any of that money? Why does it matter which is 1st and which is 2nd? Example, Call of Duty is "winning" against Halo. Do I care? Not in the slightest. Don't get me wrong, I hate Call of Duty, but not because it's beating Halo. I hate Call of Duty because its storylines suck. I used to be sick of WWII, but I think they should have stuck to what they knew. Naturally, I'll play Ghosts to see if they've figured out how to write a story. They have a legitimate writer now, so hopefully. Anyway, flaming PS because you like XB or flaming XB because you like PS is stupid.

--G

Also, I resent this shot at Appalachian people but can tell you there is more PS's around me than Xbox's just because of the free online multiplayer.

It will be interesting to see which console continues dominating the competitive gaming circle. Halo will probably return to MLG (if 343 let's it) and its not clear which console CoD people will flock to most.

[JamiDJ]

I think I'll just stick with my Gameboy Colour

Pokemon RED!

EDIT::

On Topic,

Yeah I'll get the Xbox One, mainly because I've always hated PS.
However, I wont be getting at launch, seems to risky. I'll wait until 2014 when H5 comes out.

[fearfulpenguin]

However, I wont be getting at launch, seems to risky. I'll wait until 2014 when H5 comes out.

pretty much what i am gonna do, wait til halo and some other games come out first before i buy it

[Maxdoggy]

Eeeeexactly. No "downside" of the X1 affects me, and the positives that do come with the downsides do affect me. So basically I get all of the positives and none of the negatives lol.

Sony has been really cheap and sneaky when it's come to announcing the next gen. They announced their private event first but didn't show the console, forcing MS to show theirs first. Then at E3 they got to go last, forcing MS to also release their pricing first, and just made cheap shot jokes towards MS to end the night and in the midst of the applause from their fanboys they snuck in the fact that PS+ will now be required for online multiplayer, which up til now has been a maaaajor selling point of the PS3.

Exactly this. I will probably pick up a PS4 down the road, but not at launch. I would have to completely start over on PS4 and I'd rather not lose all of my achievements and friends.

[RaZ Vader]

Here is a nice compassion between systems.

http://www.ign.com/wikis/xbox-one/PS4_vs._Xbox_One_vs._Wii_ U_Comparison_Chart

and no offense to my xbox live friends and this community. But I want a system I'll enjoy :) At this point, it looks like the PS4 will be more enjoyable for my tastes.

[bazongaman502]

Id just rather pay that extra $100 for something completely new rather than buying something I basically already have

[Maxdoggy]

Hey Blackhawk, you can strike off one of those PS4 exclusive titles.

Kingdom Hearts III is coming to Xbox One.

http://go.ign.com/169jXa4

- - - Updated - - -

You can strike off Final Fantasy XV too.

Final Fantasy XV is not a PS4 exclusive. It's coming to Xbox One, too: http://bit.ly/14TnshH

[RaZ Vader]

Id just rather pay that extra $100 for something completely new rather than buying something I basically already have

PS4 is not new? lol

[Blackhawk570]

PS4 is not new? lol

Basically what he is saying is that the PS4 features nothing new in comparison with the Xbox One. Xbox One is trying to do something new while PS4 is just a gaming console. Also with the new TV feature with the Xbox it is all optional, so you don't have to do this. Another thing with the Kinect is you do have to attach it to the console but there are settings to disable it.

[RaZ Vader]

Basically what he is saying is that the PS4 features nothing new in comparison with the Xbox One. Xbox One is trying to do something new while PS4 is just a gaming console. Also with the new TV feature with the Xbox it is all optional, so you don't have to do this. Another thing with the Kinect is you do have to attach it to the console but there are settings to disable it.

Ah,

so I have to buy the system with a kinect that I will not use? Same goes for the TV Options.

No thanks lol

[Blackhawk570]

Ah,

so I have to buy the system with a kinect that I will not use? Same goes for the TV Options.

No thanks lol

Yeah I wouldn't really look into that honestly.

Exclusives
Price

Should be the some of the key factors to look at. Also the DRM and preowned games fees might be taken away from the Xbox One so hypothetically what if they were taken away would you get the Xbox One?

[bazongaman502]

thats 2 big exclusives Sony lost lol

[RaZ Vader]

Yeah I wouldn't really look into that honestly.

Exclusives
Price

Should be the some of the key factors to look at. Also the DRM and preowned games fees might be taken away from the Xbox One so hypothetically what if they were taken away would you get the Xbox One?

If they take away the DRM and Preowned Games, and I am able to share games with my friends without having them on my fucking friends-list for 30 days, AND I can do it more than once, and I do not have to buy the kinect.. than...

Yeah, than I would get an Xbox One.

[bazongaman502]

If they take away the DRM and Preowned Games, and I am able to share games with my friends without having them on my fucking friends-list for 30 days, AND I can do it more than once, and I do not have to buy the kinect.. than...

Yeah, than I would get an Xbox One.

What is so bad about the Kinect? Afraid its gonna watch you masterbate? Sure it would seem awkward, but make it awkward back at them. Stare deeply into the lens and beat it off furiously.

[RaZ Vader]

What is so bad about the Kinect? Afraid its gonna watch you masterbate? Sure it would seem awkward, but make it awkward back at them. Stare deeply into the lens and beat it off furiously.

The Idea of using a device by saying "ON" does not appeal to me.

Listen, Xbox One will probably be great for the people that want to use it for multiple things. Im not one of them.

[bazongaman502]

The Idea of using a device by saying "ON" does not appeal to me.

Listen, Xbox One will probably be great for the people that want to use it for multiple things. Im not one of them.

But those same multiple things you dont have to use lol

You can turn on the xbox without saying "Xbox On"... im pretty sure of that

[Maxdoggy]

You can turn off Kinect completely so that you have to press the physical "On" button on the Xbox One or on the controller.

You can disable Kinect for certain functions on the Xbox One. Obviously some games will require it to be on, so then you have to have it online and working.

How is the Kinect different than a webcam connected to your PC/Laptop or your smart phone? Privacy concerns are everywhere.


Also, Microsoft will probably NEVER sell an Xbox One without Kinect to avoid fragmentation like the PS4 will experience by not having the Eye included.

[bazongaman502]

You can turn off Kinect completely so that you have to press the physical "On" button on the Xbox One or on the controller.

You can disable Kinect for certain functions on the Xbox One. Obviously some games will require it to be on, so then you have to have it online and working.

How is the Kinect different than a webcam connected to your PC/Laptop or your smart phone? Privacy concerns are everywhere.


Also, Microsoft will probably NEVER sell an Xbox One without Kinect to avoid fragmentation like the PS4 will experience by not having the Eye included.

agreed. Like I said before. People are taking the negatives way out of proportion than what it should be. People just like to complain when they don't get what they want I guess :/

[RaZ Vader]

Privacy isn't the issue with me. They can watch me jerk it for all I care. I just don't like the kinect. Plain and simple. I have used it at a friends house and I have used it. I just don't see myself paying for a $500 system that I will not be using the kinect. I can't share games with my best buds or vise versa. Just too many turn offs for me personally.

Anyway.. Changing attention to the controllers.

Speakers on the PS4 will be a nice touch. I have played the Wii. Many probably have, and I liked how they integrated the sound in your hand. It definitely puts your gaming experience on a different level.

[bazongaman502]

seeing the PS4 controller next to the PS4 looks really weird lol

Only real Playstation thing I see myself buying anytime soon is the Vita

[ThatAwkardGuy]

Final Fantasy 15 for both systems.

[Maxdoggy]

And now the waters of Thy Holy PS4 have been muddied by confusing DRM policies.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/11/playstation-4-drm-policies-third-party/

[Graycochea]

Wow, there was so much I wanted to comment on, but I've forgotten all the stuff.

Good for you Raz, defending yourself in this onslaught. I'm proud of you.

Same here, I just want a game console. I don't need all the bits and baubles. I'll get an X1 when a game I want(Halo) comes out for it.

Kingdom Hearts being for the Xbox. That may very well be, but I don't see myself getting an X1 for it. I'll play it on Playstation like all the rest. Kingdom Hearts on Xbox just feels... wrong.

It's weird that you see Sony marketing to hardcore gamers. That's how I always saw Microsoft. I broke it down like this: Nintendo marketed their consoles and games to families/children, Microsoft marketed their consoles and games to adult/male/hardcore gamers, and Sony marketed their consoles to everyone old/new. It's in the exclusives. Wii has Smash Bros and Mario. Xbox has Gears and Halo. Sony has Kingdom Hearts, Flower, Killzone, and inFAMOUS. Wii is kids, Xbox is obviously adults, and Playstation is everyone. The only other exclusive for Xbox I can think of that's of note is Mass Effect.

[KazuhLLL]

It's weird that you see Sony marketing to hardcore gamers. That's how I always saw Microsoft. I broke it down like this: Nintendo marketed their consoles and games to families/children, Microsoft marketed their consoles and games to adult/male/hardcore gamers, and Sony marketed their consoles to everyone old/new. It's in the exclusives. Wii has Smash Bros and Mario. Xbox has Gears and Halo. Sony has Kingdom Hearts, Flower, Killzone, and inFAMOUS. Wii is kids, Xbox is obviously adults, and Playstation is everyone. The only other exclusive for Xbox I can think of that's of note is Mass Effect.

You and I have had completely flip-flopped views on Sony/MS lol.


How is the Kinect different than a webcam connected to your PC/Laptop or your smart phone? Privacy concerns are everywhere.

I will never understand this lol. Most of the same people posting about privacy concerns across all forums of the internet are doing so right in the view of their laptop or smartphone camera. An I'm sure many of those complaining about the "tethered-ness" of having the Kinect connected have Wii's that have the motion sensor connected just the same.

90% of the negativity toward the X1 is based on Microsoft's horrible PR people at their reveal and Sony's "play-it-safe" route, along with the reddit circlejerkers creating an Internet storm of hate toward Microsoft.


And now the waters of Thy Holy PS4 have been muddied by confusing DRM policies.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/11/playstation-4-drm-policies-third-party/

I figured. Can't wait to see how the waters are muddied after everyone finds out that they're going to have to pay for online multiplayer lol.

[RaZ Vader]

And now the waters of Thy Holy PS4 have been muddied by confusing DRM policies.

http://www.engadget.com/2013/06/11/playstation-4-drm-policies-third-party/

So this isn't about either Sony or Microsoft at this point. I guess we will wait and see.

HOWEVER...

this STILL does not change my decision on which Console I would like to own first. I still like the controller, and the system itself, and the direction they are taking with PS+

I do not care much for exclusives when most of the games I want to play will be multiplatform, and IF both consoles make it so the DRM is more strict, than, well..

I'll just learn to love my PC even more.

[VerbotenDonkey]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embe dded&v=AjKB7eMgDvw


Doesn't necessarily reflect my views but lol.

[bazongaman502]

W
It's weird that you see Sony marketing to hardcore gamers. That's how I always saw Microsoft. I broke it down like this: Nintendo marketed their consoles and games to families/children, Microsoft marketed their consoles and games to adult/male/hardcore gamers, and Sony marketed their consoles to everyone old/new. It's in the exclusives. Wii has Smash Bros and Mario. Xbox has Gears and Halo. Sony has Kingdom Hearts, Flower, Killzone, and inFAMOUS. Wii is kids, Xbox is obviously adults, and Playstation is everyone. The only other exclusive for Xbox I can think of that's of note is Mass Effect.

yeah... we are the the exact opposite of each other. I see more kids games on the Xbox than I do for the Playstation. I see more "Boom, Boom, Bang, Bang" kinds of games all throughout Playstation. The kinect was built for Family Fun. While you see Playstation move being used for Killzone and such. Again, we are litterally on the opposite side of the feild of each other lol

[Zeta Crossfire]

And I just went against my better judgment and reserved a Xbox One

[Boneill1621]

So.... arguable Sony's two biggest "exclusives" aren't exclusives?

Seriously though, those games were trending the most last night and have HUGE devout fanbases. And now they are multiplatform? Interesting. Square Enix must be in extreme financial trouble if that's the case.

[RaZ Vader]

I personally am going to wait a bit longer before I reserve the console of my choosing.

You all know by now that it is going to be the PS4 for multiple personal reasons and my likes.

And raven. I'm not surprised I'm "alone" on this one. This is an Xbox/Halo Community after all. But I am not saying you should go out and get a ps4. I'm stating what I like.

Getting a console is actually up to one person lol. YOU.

[Boneill1621]

I personally am going to wait a bit longer before I reserve the console of my choosing.

You all know by now that it is going to be the PS4 for multiple personal reasons and my likes.

And raven. I'm not surprised I'm "alone" on this one. This is an Xbox/Halo Community after all. But I am not saying you should go out and get a ps4. I'm stating what I like.

Getting a console is actually up to one person lol. YOU.

Thanks for being a main for PlayStation. Being able to discuss this stuff within the community is nice. The rest of the websites I go to are nearly unbearable at this point.

[Metkil5685]

I thought long and hard on this entire thing while I was at work today.

All I've got to say is that Raz, your not alone.

I'm a nutjob when it comes to the price to performance ratio, so the PS4 almost wins my heart over at that point. But why is this such a factor to me? The only real reason I want to own a console is because I want to play the titles I can not play on my PC. I'm a PC gamer to the core and that will always be where I stick when it comes to gaming. When I look at the exclusives and the multiplats that coming down the pipeline, I don't see much appeal for me from the X1. Granted, Halo is a HUGE factor, but as you can tell with my activity over the last 4 months in Halo 4. I've been slowly leaving the franchise. That being said, I want to have the best possible performance I can get. The PS4 offers that to me.

In all honesty, I'm not getting either console for a while into the first year. I want to see the first year played out. Almost all the titles I want to play that are coming out this year are multiplat to the PC (I'm looking at you BF4). That or they are going to be releasing on the X360 which I already own and love. Perhaps a year from now when we start to see the holiday 2014 titles, I will consider actually getting a console. At this point PS4 has the edge on me.

Until then, I am perfectly happy playing games on my X360 and PC.

Mainly my PC.

Also, no Wii U love? That for sure I know I will be getting. :S

[Zeta Crossfire]

Also, no Wii U love? That for sure I know I will be getting. :S

Xbox one VS Playtation 4

Whoever wins Wii lose.

[JamiDJ]

http://betanews.com/2013/06/11/xbox-one-buyers-beware-microsoft-is-holding-your-money-hostage/

[Juggernaut9473]

X1 for sure. PS4 later

[MedeDust]

http://betanews.com/2013/06/11/xbox-one-buyers-beware-microsoft-is-holding-your-money-hostage/

The guy doesn't know what he's saying, this problem is an issue with the card he is using, anybody with a bit of business and financial education can see that.

Really hate how mostly everybody on the internet are hating on Microsoft for 3rd party issues and rumors that are spread around as if they were facts.

[JamiDJ]

The guy doesn't know what he's saying, this problem is an issue with the card he is using, anybody with a bit of business and financial education can see that.

Really hate how mostly everybody on the internet are hating on Microsoft for 3rd party issues and rumors that are spread around as if they were facts.

Ditto

[KazuhLLL]

The guy doesn't know what he's saying, this problem is an issue with the card he is using, anybody with a bit of business and financial education can see that.

Really hate how mostly everybody on the internet are hating on Microsoft for 3rd party issues and rumors that are spread around as if they were facts.

Agreed. I don't give a shit if people want to choose the PS4 for legitimate reasons, but I'd hate to see Xbox Live become significantly less filled due to the people who fall into the mob mentality of the Internet without checking their facts.

[Maxdoggy]

I posted on his article calling him an idiot in a nice way while remaining informative. Others' attempts at telling him he is an idiot have failed and he has now preordered a PS4 through Amazon, but isn't complaining about the hold on his card there...

I hate that it's "trendy" to hate on the Xbox One.

[KillerGUNNY132]

So last night was pretty insane. I've never seen a company say "Fuck You!" to a competitor so publicly before. I'm an Xbox guy through and through, but I fucking laughed my ass off because of how much positive PR Sony reeled in and how much negative PR Microsoft got thrown onto them. I hated the PS3, but I had to applaud Sony for doing what they did last night. Especially from a marketing standpoint.

But I also applaud them for standing up for the people who don't have constant and consistent internet and the people who fund their purchases with resale and trade in money. It doesn't affect me because money is not an issue with me or my family, but kuddos to Sony for doing it. I actually hope they win this Generation.

Now, you're probably thinking I'll be buying a PS4 this Fall/Winter. But that is not true, I'll be buying a Xbox One on release day. I currently have zero plans to purchase a PS4. Why? PS4's exclusives are not interesting to me. The only one that really mattered to me personally was Kingdom Hearts 3, but now that it's going to be on the Xbox aswell, so there that went.

Microsofts "DRM" and "Always Online" do not affect me because I have a good and constant internet connection and almost always buy my games new. Although I do admit, I don't like the restrictions Microsoft is trying to impose. I already give your asses $60 bucks a year and have faithfully supported your consoles dating back to the Original Xbox, the least you could do is give me some freedom, although the 2 free games a month helps ;) But if you assholes try to make me pay for a 360 game download on Xbox One Marketplace that I already have and own, I'll fucking write you the longest piece of hatemail you've ever fucking seen. Seriously, fuck that.

[IX Dr Doom XI]

I thought long and hard on this entire thing while I was at work today.

All I've got to say is that Raz, your not alone.

I'll probably be getting the ps4 as well. With sony going back to what gamers wants as opposed to what Microsoft is trying to do but ill still probably wait till early next year to buy it.

[KazuhLLL]

Sunset Overdrive is apparently X1 exclusive: http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/e3-interview-with-insomniac

And for those who don't click the link it's apparently an "always changing, open-world shooter set in the not-so-distant future.

[Fiery Grave]

So.... arguable Sony's two biggest "exclusives" aren't exclusives?

Seriously though, those games were trending the most last night and have HUGE devout fanbases. And now they are multiplatform? Interesting. Square Enix must be in extreme financial trouble if that's the case.

I doubt they are in trouble... its just Microsoft caters to the developers making a great development environment and offering good returns on games. Thats why we are seeing third party exclusives to the X1 because although sony is catering to the gamers, they care dick all about developers with shitty developmental environments and little reason to support them. Same goes for publishers microsoft is ready to invest huge amounts of cash into getting exclusives (something sony can't afford to do) and Microsoft is being all like "hey make cool games for us and we will give you perks and let you control your games!


So last night was pretty insane. I've never seen a company say "Fuck You!" to a competitor so publicly before. I'm an Xbox guy through and through, but I fucking laughed my ass off because of how much positive PR Sony reeled in and how much negative PR Microsoft got thrown onto them. I hated the PS3, but I had to applaud Sony for doing what they did last night. Especially from a marketing standpoint.

But I also applaud them for standing up for the people who don't have constant and consistent internet and the people who fund their purchases with resale and trade in money. It doesn't affect me because money is not an issue with me or my family, but kuddos to Sony for doing it. I actually hope they win this Generation.

Now, you're probably thinking I'll be buying a PS4 this Fall/Winter. But that is not true, I'll be buying a Xbox One on release day. I currently have zero plans to purchase a PS4. Why? PS4's exclusives are not interesting to me. The only one that really mattered to me personally was Kingdom Hearts 3, but now that it's going to be on the Xbox aswell, so there that went.

Microsofts "DRM" and "Always Online" do not affect me because I have a good and constant internet connection and almost always buy my games new. Although I do admit, I don't like the restrictions Microsoft is trying to impose. I already give your asses $60 bucks a year and have faithfully supported your consoles dating back to the Original Xbox, the least you could do is give me some freedom, although the 2 free games a month helps ;) But if you assholes try to make me pay for a 360 game download on Xbox One Marketplace that I already have and own, I'll fucking write you the longest piece of hatemail you've ever fucking seen. Seriously, fuck that.

I think they over did it, a lot of people laughed at the time, but looking back they went a bit far and are coming off as dicks for doing it so harshly.

Also microsofts DRM is going to be pretty much the same as PS4 now... giving control to the publisher. Though you have to think microsoft is removing the need for disk at all too... they want you to be able to buy a game and download it at home for the same price you would buy it in store. When you buy a game and install it you no longer need the disk so your entire game library is right there and you can switch games on the fly with out getting up and changing it manually. Thats why they are having strict lending policies. Though i think people are misinterpreting the lending system... I see it as you can lend a game out to only one person at a time (like with an actual disk) and then they give it back to you and then you can lend it to someone else after that.

Look at Steam for an example of what microsoft is trying to turn their console into. You can't sell or lend steam games... nobody complains about that... PC gamers are used to it because yha it wouldn't be fair because you can just give to everyone and everyone gets to play for free now.

I have a feeling sony is going to shoot themselves in the foot by supporting gamers instead of publishers because publishers can make games for other platforms... if sony only has first party games start coming out because no third party want to work for them anymore games are going to abandon them and follow the good games

[KazuhLLL]

Dead Rising 3 is also an X1 exclusive: http://www.gamespot.com/e3/dead-rising-3-an-xbox-one-exclusive-6409550/

[IX Dr Doom XI]

There only a small few x1 exclusive games that peaked my interest one of them is Titanfall, basically merging killzone with mech assault, and project spark, xbox's version of little big planet. Every thing else seemed like it would be a one hit wonder.

[zZ Dr K Zz]

It's comforting to know that at least Microsoft is feeling bad about alienating out part of the fanbase that can't have a constant internet connection.

...

oh, they said "Buy an Xbox 360" instead.

Nevermind, there just dicks about it.

http://kotaku.com/cant-get-an-xbox-one-online-buy-an-xbox-360-512742247

[MedeDust]

Lol PS4 is fucking up. They though Microsoft killed it with their new policy but then he game developers started realizing that that's more beneficial, so now they're going start supporting the company that supports them the most. With all this hype about being able to trade games, who can't see another piracy dilemma or less sail for developers, I don't think they want to be making so many games only so they won't be used. At this point, yeah it seems that they will make more with PS4 because apparently more peopl eill be getting that but what about a year in when they male the same amount of sales and realize they technically made more with MS.e

[zZ Dr K Zz]

I honestly believe that it is neck and neck at this point and probably will be for awhile, which is AWESOME to see, I'd rather not see one dominant the other like before. It took awhile for the PS3 to catch it's footing and some of their best games were released way too late. It's refreshing to see that both consoles have intriguing exclusives.

[KillerGUNNY132]

It's comforting to know that at least Microsoft is feeling bad about alienating out part of the fanbase that can't have a constant internet connection.

...

oh, they said "Buy an Xbox 360" instead.

Nevermind, there just dicks about it.

http://kotaku.com/cant-get-an-xbox-one-online-buy-an-xbox-360-512742247

Whoever their PR manager is needs to be talking to the Microsoft execs because they are coming off as giant dicks who are disconnected from their consumers. What a joke.

[Fiery Grave]

Lol PS4 is fucking up. They though Microsoft killed it with their new policy but then he game developers started realizing that that's more beneficial, so now they're going start supporting the company that supports them the most. With all this hype about being able to trade games, who can't see another piracy dilemma or less sail for developers, I don't think they want to be making so many games only so they won't be used. At this point, yeah it seems that they will make more with PS4 because apparently more peopl eill be getting that but what about a year in when they male the same amount of sales and realize they technically made more with MS.e

This is very true.. I bet a lot of companies are just gonna go "fuck it" and stop making for the PS4... its a lot easier to develop on one console than it is for a multiplatform game and with xbox making their platform as close to a PC as possible without ti straight up being a PC it will make games easy to make on both Xbox and PC... Why would a developer spend thousands if not hundreds of thousands on making for PS4 as well when its just going to be pirated the shit out of " oh hey here you go just install this and you can play it.

I think it would be smarter to go with a Install licences check every time a game is installed though the disk it need to be connected to the internet and then it deactivates any other games using the same license. while disconnected you need to have the game in the tray for it to work unless its a digitally bought game then it would be fine since you can't transfer that off the profile without being connected anyways.

Honestly i like the idea of being able to install my game and then put the disk back in its case and putting it on a shelf never taking it out again and just having all my games there... And with either the 24 hr check up or this method are the only ways that your not going to have a massive loss of sales.

also want to point out with the method they are using now you can install a game sell it back to EB games and it will still work on your console until someone buys it and installs it.


Whoever their PR manager is needs to be talking to the Microsoft execs because they are coming off as giant dicks who are disconnected from their consumers. What a joke.

That actually doesn't seem like he is being that big of a dick... they are still going to be supporting some 360 games until at least 2015 and it already has a huge library of game you can choose from So why not buy it instead if you cannot connect to the internet daily... If its that big of a problem i think you need to talk to your internet service provider and get a more stable internet... it does exist...

[VerbotenDonkey]

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[Blackhawk570]

FF and kingdom hearts 3 are not exclusives. I think Planetside 2 was a good pickup for Sony. Surprised at the ddr3 ram by microsoft.

[Maxdoggy]

The amount of exclusives that PS4 is claiming that are indie titles - and not full-fledged games is quite a lot. While good for indie developers, the PS4 fanboys need to stop saying that the PS4 has more/better exclusives. I would give an indie title a 50% value compared to a full game, but that's just me.

Also, the image didn't mention that you can start playing a game while it's installing in the background on the Xbox One. They mentioned it for PS4, though.

[Silko]

Surprised at the ddr3 ram by microsoft.

I'm not. I don't even think there is a 8 core processor that doesn't use DDR3. Over all when it comes to the platforms I'm more impressed by the xbox one but the fact that we have the limits on the offline gaming and much more does give the PS4 an edge in some areas. Now then what will I be getting? Xbox One. Why? Halo for one and two I refuse to give Sony money that I don't have to give them. I don't trust SOE for what they did to SWG and the final nail in the coffin was the fact they didn't even attempt to protect peoples accounts. A child could have hacked through their protection because after all there was none.

[KazuhLLL]

The amount of exclusives that PS4 is claiming that are indie titles - and not full-fledged games is quite a lot. While good for indie developers, the PS4 fanboys need to stop saying that the PS4 has more/better exclusives. I would give an indie title a 50% value compared to a full game, but that's just me.

Also, the image didn't mention that you can start playing a game while it's installing in the background on the Xbox One. They mentioned it for PS4, though.

They also said that KH3, FF, & Diablo 3 are Sony exclusives, which they aren't.

But yeah when Sony came onstage and announced that they had 20 exclusives (compared to MS's 15) I was like "Oh shit", and then they had the segment with 8 indie guys coming onstage at the same time and was just like >.>

They also totally made it seem as though KH3 & FF were, as usual, exclusive which confused plenty of people I'm sure. Including the infographic guy lol.

[Maxdoggy]

They also said that KH3, FF, & Diablo 3 are Sony exclusives, which they aren't.

But yeah when Sony came onstage and announced that they had 20 exclusives (compared to MS's 15) I was like "Oh shit", and then they had the segment with 8 indie guys coming onstage at the same time and was just like >.>

They also totally made it seem as though KH3 & FF were, as usual, exclusive which confused plenty of people I'm sure. Including the infographic guy lol.

I'm just thinking the infographic is outdated as that info came out this afternoon. I could be wrong, though, and he could just be confuzzled.

Also, just placed my preorder and paid off my Xbox One: Day One Edition, Ryse: Son of Rome - Day One Edition, Forza Motorsport 5: Day One Edition, and Battlefield 4 from BestBuy.com. $699.56 (with a $20 giftcard and 6% State of Michigan tax)
I have to go cancel my GameStop preorder of BF4 now. I'll leave my Destiny preorder there for now as the official X1 and PS4 SKUs haven't been posted yet.

[Maxdoggy]

Ubisoft Announces Far Cry Classic for X360: http://www.xbox360achievements.o rg/news/news-15229-Ubisoft-Announces-Far-Cry-Classic.html?utm_source=d lvr.it&utm_medium=twitter


Xbox One's New Reputation System and Smart Match features detailed: http://majornelson.com/2013/06/11/xbox-one-smart-match/

[Graycochea]

Some indie games are pretty good.

After Verbotens picture, I'm a little excited for both. Still PS4 more. Apparently, it'll come with a Dualshock 4 controller instead of those shitty Sixaxis ones. But yeah, I'll probably get X1 sooner after PS4 instead of waiting years like I did last time.

[Fiery Grave]

The amount of exclusives that PS4 is claiming that are indie titles - and not full-fledged games is quite a lot. While good for indie developers, the PS4 fanboys need to stop saying that the PS4 has more/better exclusives. I would give an indie title a 50% value compared to a full game, but that's just me.

Also, the image didn't mention that you can start playing a game while it's installing in the background on the Xbox One. They mentioned it for PS4, though.

I noticed that a lot... and i find it funny because Microsoft has been huge in indi support for a long time... hell they gave away XNA for free with a shit ton of tutorials and also helped the unity guys out. Now sony is trying to make a big deal about it but they seem to be grabbing a lot of per established indi developers who have already made good games before. I can see through their tricks and it just makes me sad for them lately.


I'm just thinking the infographic is outdated as that info came out this afternoon. I could be wrong, though, and he could just be confuzzled.

Also, just placed my preorder and paid off my Xbox One: Day One Edition, Ryse: Son of Rome - Day One Edition, Forza Motorsport 5: Day One Edition, and Battlefield 4 from BestBuy.com. $699.56 (with a $20 giftcard and 6% State of Michigan tax)
I have to go cancel my GameStop preorder of BF4 now. I'll leave my Destiny preorder there for now as the official X1 and PS4 SKUs haven't been posted yet.

I prerecord the console at eb games today got one of the last 3 for day one guarantee i wanna get forza and DR3 day one

[Al Capone111]

http://i.imgur.com/81M4e65.png

Odds are I'll just order it through Amazon this week. I'll use pay-pal. Ill get it launch day hopefully, or a day or two later. No big.

And all the bitching aside from the fanboys and people on Reditt, the fact that the X1 grabbed KH3 shows something. KH has been an amazing series and exclusive. It now being multi platform says that at least one other dev is confident in the X1.

[RaZ Vader]

In My World. Their is one Console. That plays all titles, and it is perfect.

It is called. The PC Console. Now with a controller!

[VerbotenDonkey]

In My World. Their is one Console. That plays all titles, and it is perfect.

It is called. The PC Console. Now with a controller!

But the PC doesn't get all titles. xD

[Al Capone111]

In My World. Their is one Console. That plays all titles, and it is perfect.

It is called. The PC Console. Now with a controller!

Not sure if PC gamer, or Jehovah's witness.

[KazuhLLL]

Odds are I'll just order it through Amazon this week. I'll use pay-pal. Ill get it launch day hopefully, or a day or two later. No big.

And all the bitching aside from the fanboys and people on Reditt, the fact that the X1 grabbed KH3 shows something. KH has been an amazing series and exclusive. It now being multi platform says that at least one other dev is confident in the X1.

I'm so fucking happy that MS managed to get Kingdom Hearts 3 for the X1. That, plus Insomniac Games starting to develop for Xbox makes me so excited because I can continue staying with the franchise I love (Halo) while still getting a taste of games from my Playstation roots. And then the fact that Project Spark seems to give us LBP+ makes me even more happy to be going into the next gen with Microsoft. :D

[RaZ Vader]

But the PC doesn't get all titles. xD

In My world it does...

In my world their was only one console made ever. Their was never no Playstation or Xbox!

Anyway... with all of these announcements. I personally am excited to play a PS4 :D Go back to my roots! I love it. The interface looks smoother. ALSO! No Webcam needed!!! :D

And... and! Well, this is how I feel with me and Playstation lmao


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x-skFgrV59A

[HGinCT]

If you put inflation into account, the 500 for the Xbox One is a reasonably priced console when compared to the 360's launch price. the 360's launch price in 2005 was 400 dollars. Adjusted for inflation, the launch price if it released this year would be closer to 475 dollars, antdthe 360 launched as a pure gaming console, nothing else. so I see the price as being fair.

so far I'm not convinced to become an early adopter of either system, but considering that the PS4 exclusives don't intrigue me at all, I will probably upgrade once Halo 5 drops in 2014. no rush basically.

Microsoft has gotten a lot of bad publicity based off of misconceptions of badly worded press releases and blog posts. If Microsoft can clear up these gray areas, I see it becoming the dominant console this generation. Nintendo has very little third party support (as always) and the PS4 isn't pushing any boundaries beyond integration with social media.

[zZ Dr K Zz]

Good conversation so far, but what does everything think of the look of the 2 systems?

Personally, I prefer the PS4 look to the Xbox One. I like the slanted look more and the sharp edges. The Xbox One looks more like a DVR player, which I understand why they went that route, but it doesn't look appealing to me. It looks like they went for the simplest design out there and played it safe.

The new Xbox 360 design is possibly the ugliest thing I've seen.

[Maxdoggy]

I agree, Dr K. The new Xbox 360 design is terrible.

The Xbox One couldn't be a parallelogram. It had to be a box. Because Xbox.

I don't mind it. It'll be easy to stack.

[KazuhLLL]

The Xbox One couldn't be a parallelogram. It had to be a box. Because Xbox.

I don't mind it. It'll be easy to stack.

Yep! xD I don't particularly like or hate either of them. I get almost a PC-tower feel from the X1, but the PS4 has a more interesting look.

What about the controllers? I'm sure I'll like the feel of the Xbox one more, just like this generation, but the touchpad and integrated speakers on the new PS ones are also interesting. Xbox has new "impulse triggers" with additional rumble motors, but it's much harder to tell how those will feel without having one in your hands.

[RaZ Vader]

On the subject of controllers. I am friends with a gearbox developer. Been friends with him since middle school. Anyway.

He has had a chance to play with both systems & test out both controllers.

He, like many of us here are avid Xbox 360 gamers. He actually thinks the new design is worse than the old and thinks the new PlayStation controller is better than the ps3.

Now that is just one persons opinion. But I think its interesting coming from a long time Xbox gamer like himself. The speaker and touch pad is going to immerse me into the games even more.

But it looks like the Xbox controller hasn't changed. Which is interesting how he doesn't like it as much ad the 360..

[VerbotenDonkey]

I never did like the Playstation controller D: But I already talked with my friends, if most of them go PS4 then that's where I will be going. Guess I'll have to deal with the controller >.<

[Blackhawk570]

The speakers on the controller Microsoft was talking about, but didn't want to do because you already might have a sound system or a nice tv with a soundboard so unless the hardware in the controller is super expensive it is pointless to even put a speaker in the controller.

Honestly could give two shits on the looks of the console unless it looks like a giant dildo.

It sucks to see this community might fall a part later because of this console war :(

[Fiery Grave]

Good conversation so far, but what does everything think of the look of the 2 systems?

Personally, I prefer the PS4 look to the Xbox One. I like the slanted look more and the sharp edges. The Xbox One looks more like a DVR player, which I understand why they went that route, but it doesn't look appealing to me. It looks like they went for the simplest design out there and played it safe.

The new Xbox 360 design is possibly the ugliest thing I've seen.

The PS4 looks so impractical and I don't like its minimalist approach it reminds me of apple where "style" is really important...
Im going to be looking at the screen not the box so its not a big deal...

But the slants.... whats the point? it just creates more unusable space in the machine increasing its size and increasing the materials used and theoretically increasing price... though im practical and realize its such a small material increase that it probably didn't effect the price at all...

[RaZ Vader]

I never did like the Playstation controller D: But I already talked with my friends, if most of them go PS4 then that's where I will be going. Guess I'll have to deal with the controller

I have never had a problem with the Dualshock.

I have heard great feedback so far that it has improved greatly.

In terms of this community falling apart because of the console war, well thats silly. Maybe we evolve once more. At any rate, it will be up to the leaders of this community or. *cough* War Council members.

But getting back on topic, I can't wait to get my hands on the controller!

[Blackhawk570]

The PS4 controller has mad giant improvements for comfort. They actually changed the type of thumbsticks using concave ones instead of convex. Also they made it bigger so it fits in a man's hands nice and comfortably. The gimmicky parts of the controller might be its downfall though. I am expecting the ps4 controllers to be like $80 each.

[Maxdoggy]

The PS4 controller has mad giant improvements for comfort. They actually changed the type of thumbsticks using concave ones instead of convex. Also they made it bigger so it fits in a man's hands nice and comfortably. The gimmicky parts of the controller might be its downfall though. I am expecting the ps4 controllers to be like $80 each.

If I remember correctly (I'm like 90% sure), both the Eye and the Dualshock 4 are both priced at $60 each.

[Specact]

In My World. Their is one Console. That plays all titles, and it is perfect.

It is called. The PC Console. Now with a controller!

[Blackhawk570]

If I remember correctly (I'm like 90% sure), both the Eye and the Dualshock 4 are both priced at $60 each.

If so that is pretty awesome.

List of Games and Exclusives

Added Plants vs Zombies for Xbox

and Transistor for PS4

[Specact]

Have any of you seen the video where the microsoft rep was being interviewed by spike and he was talking about people complaining about having to be connected to the internet to play and he basically said if you don't have an internet connection go fuck yourself.

[bazongaman502]

This community will be fine. We will probably lose a lot of people, but I know we can make a rebound in not to long of time.

Iv heard from a few reviewers and 3 of my friends that are at E3 (lucky bastards) and they held both controllers and they each said the Xbox One is better. However, they did say, the 360 controller is still the best.

And how does the PS4 look better that the Xbox One? Its the same-fucking-thing lol. Only difference is "ours is slanted and not flat". Playstation has been deciding which prototype they wrere going to use for their console, and supposedly they really didn't decide on the final product untill like a week ago. Sony even said, there will still be some tweeks here and there on the looks of the PS4. Truelly, it seems like Sony copied the Xbox One rather than creating their own.

- - - Updated - - -


Have any of you seen the video where the microsoft rep was being interviewed by spike and he was talking about people complaining about having to be connected to the internet to play and he basically said if you don't have an internet connection go fuck yourself.

That is not how he said it. He was saying you basically have other options, such as the 360 again.

[RaZ Vader]

Well. These are all opinions and will come down to what the person likes.

What kept me in the Xbox?

Truthfully. Halo & FC.

But.. Like Metkil, I'm growing apart from the franchise. And I want more of an experience where I personally think I will enjoy more.

As stated before. For me. PS4 is my Haven. At least for now. I may even pre-order one this Friday. Who knows. But I do know that both systems will be great. & Both systems will have their cons.

It will ultimately be up to what you want and don't want in the system that is perfect for you.

[Graycochea]

Alright. This just got real. I don't want the site to fall apart. Why would people have to leave? Couldn't we have a side for PS and a side for XB? It would suck if some of my favorite people left(Raz and Verboten) because they didn't get an Xbox.

[Maxdoggy]

Alright. This just got real. I don't want the site to fall apart. Why would people have to leave? Couldn't we have a side for PS and a side for XB? It would suck if some of my favorite people left(Raz and Verboten) because they didn't get an Xbox.

The Forerunner Conflict is based on Halo. Halo is on Xbox. Catch my drift? Lol.

[MedeDust]

The wars will be held on Bug Wars 2. Head over to silvergames.com and search bug wars 2 and start getting used to it.

[Blackhawk570]

The wars will be held on Bug Wars 2. Head over to silvergames.com and search bug wars 2 and start getting used to it.

This^

[RaZ Vader]

Alright. This just got real. I don't want the site to fall apart. Why would people have to leave? Couldn't we have a side for PS and a side for XB? It would suck if some of my favorite people left(Raz and Verboten) because they didn't get an Xbox.

Oh Yes, Forerunner Conflict is based off Halo. Halo is for Xbox, and always will be.

Their is a very high chance I won't be apart of the next 2 titles. Will I miss it? Probably. Will I miss playing with you guys? Oh yes. I will.

But, Im sure I will be on the site yet, giving any advice, and hey, if you all also get a PS4, we can have our gaming experience on their. But, my XBL Gold is about to expire, and I don't plan on restoring it.

BYE-BYE. :D (via XBL)

[Blackhawk570]

Updated with Links of gameplay or trailers for each video game. Also I will be adding and explaining critical articles for the PS4 and Xbox One.

For the Xbox One it will be probably about DRM, Preowned Games Fees, Tv Integration, Kinect, Xbox Glass, and Xbox Live.

For the PS4 will be about PS Plus, Gaikai, and any new features for the Playstation 4.

[HGinCT]

on the debate of controllers, I'm am a lefty and getting a comfortable grip on a controller has always been somewhat of an enigma for me. the one controller that really made me feel comfortable to play with is the 360 controller. Every single dualshock controller I tried playing with (I own a PS1 and played on my friend's PS2 and PS3) felt awkward and made me feel like I had to really strain to reach the joysticks. I don't really see too much coming from PS4 in the future outside of the exclusives they have left (sorry Metal Gear Solid and Kingdom Hearts 3). We'll see.

[Blackhawk570]

Updated with more information. This will probably be the last update, but if you have anymore questions just let me know.

[Maxdoggy]

Updated with more information. This will probably be the last update, but if you have anymore questions just let me know.


Why do you keep editing out my fix of "Xbox Glass" to "Xbox SmartGlass"?? Lol.

[Boneill1621]

I doubt they are in trouble... its just Microsoft caters to the developers making a great development environment and offering good returns on games. Thats why we are seeing third party exclusives to the X1 because although sony is catering to the gamers, they care dick all about developers with shitty developmental environments and little reason to support them. Same goes for publishers microsoft is ready to invest huge amounts of cash into getting exclusives (something sony can't afford to do) and Microsoft is being all like "hey make cool games for us and we will give you perks and let you control your games!



This. Developers aren't making the money they use to and Microsoft is trying to help. This type of support is what makes me think more games will be developed for the Xbox One. Also, I'm pretty sure Square Enix lost a ton of money on the last Final Fantasy. They cancelled everything in production once that game tanked.

Edit:

It would be sad to see the population of the community drop just because of this console war. That'd said, it appears most people like what the new Xbox offers even without the Halo factor. The new features on the Xbox One (such as Twitch integration, social media and more) will serve as great tools to expand FC's reach across the internets and, hopefully, will lead to many more cool things this community can do together. For those who aren't planning on purchasing the new Xbox, the thing I have grown to love about FC is the many things you can get involved with on the site that don't require you to pick up a controller. Maybe it'll be a blessing in disguise of sorts. Who knows.

[Blackhawk570]

Why do you keep editing out my fix of "Xbox Glass" to "Xbox SmartGlass"?? Lol.

I didn't. Probably what is happening is u change it while im editing it and you finish the edit before me while I am editing lol

[bazongaman502]

Skype on the Xbox (if it can be used while playing games instead of just when watching movies) will do amazing things for FC's Officers on battlenights.

[zZ Dr K Zz]

I'm a lefty as well, but I prefer the PS3 controller over the 360. Both are comfortable in their own regard, but the PS3 is smaller and lighter and the triggers/bumpers are easier to hit for me.

I won't be buying either system day one, the exclusives aren't enticing enough and there's no need for it right now.

But when I do buy a system, it'll most likely be a PS4 for now.

[Fiery Grave]

I'm a lefty as well, but I prefer the PS3 controller over the 360. Both are comfortable in their own regard, but the PS3 is smaller and lighter and the triggers/bumpers are easier to hit for me.

I won't be buying either system day one, the exclusives aren't enticing enough and there's no need for it right now.

But when I do buy a system, it'll most likely be a PS4 for now.

you know one of the big things about the PS4 controller is they are making it bigger and giving it more heft right?

[Blackhawk570]

you know one of the big things about the PS4 controller is they are making it bigger and giving it more heft right?

This is true

[zZ Dr K Zz]

you know one of the big things about the PS4 controller is they are making it bigger and giving it more heft right?
Still fine with me, looks the same size as an Xbox One controller.

If I based my decision on buying a console solely on the controller, then I got bigger problems to worry about.


I'm not.

[Maxdoggy]

The kind sir makes some good points: http://gizmodo.com/why-im-getting-the-xbox-one-not-the-ps4-ugh-512840127?utm_campaign=so cialflow_gizmodo_facebook&utm_source=gizmodo_facebo ok&utm_medium=socialflow

[Mythonian]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs-8xrdkjwk

[bazongaman502]

http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z394/Bazongaman/994289_486521051424641_83 8611920_n.jpg (http://s1187.photobucket.com/user/Bazongaman/media/994289_486521051424641_83 8611920_n.jpg.html)

[SuRroundeD By 1]

To be honest I love the people in FC; however, if this community followed anything but Halo like it does now, I wouldn't be a part of it, or at least as much.

I could maybe handle Battlefield 4, but I'd still want the wars to revolve around Halo.

[zZ Dr K Zz]

After, finally having more time to catch up fully on E3, along with the Xbox Radian and PS4. I've come to the conclusion.....that I have no conclusion. Since I have no intention of buying either system Day 1, I'm going to bite my tongue until it comes closer to the release date.

Both are great systems in their own regard and they are showing some amazing potential in terms of graphics, especially for the limited video game lineup (which surprised me the most). Most notably, Quantum Break, I still can't believe those were in-game graphics.

This is probably the funniest picture I've seen during the E3 shenanigans:
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Is it weird that I completely forgot that Nintendo is at E3 this year?


EDIT:

I just noticed that I still have the userbar for Blue Army, but I'm not supposed to be anymore, I left months ago :/

[VerbotenDonkey]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwYUGtI6guY


I can't stop laughing. Where are my sides?

[GAMExSOLID]

I left Playstation for Halo. No sense of turning back now. After I was told Kingdom Hearts III will be made available to the Xbox One I was sold. Yes I had some great memories with God of War 1 and 2. Uncharted will never be a series that just steals me. I'll buy Day One and if my Xbox One has any problems I'll be sure to let the community know. All of the things people are worried about (Always Online, Used Gaming Issue, and that Microsoft will be spying on me) those things don't affect me personally. My Xbox never goes without being online, I never buy used games or hardly sell them because I buy games that I know will be good and I can go back to at any given point in time and know I'll still enjoy it, and finally if Microsoft really wants to see guy's pale ass in the morning when I wake up by all means at least someone likes to look :P I hope to see a good amount of the community on Day One and I expect to have 50+ friend requests immediately once I first turn it on. Still torn if I want to buy RYSE or Dead Rising 3 first. Battlefield 4 - October 29th? So can I buy BF4 at launch since the Xbox will be released in November and before COD: Ghosts since Ghosts was not identified as a launch title?

[Graycochea]

http://i1187.photobucket.com/albums/z394/Bazongaman/994289_486521051424641_83 8611920_n.jpg (http://s1187.photobucket.com/user/Bazongaman/media/994289_486521051424641_83 8611920_n.jpg.html)

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lig2oonK2e1qhze4mo 1_500.gif


X1 HAS BEEN REDEEMED!

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P.S. Two thumbs way, way up!

[Maxdoggy]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JwYUGtI6guY


I can't stop laughing. Where are my sides?

That's also the video where in fine print it announced that PS+ is required for multiplayer gaming and that only disc-based, first party games can be traded that way on PS4. Third party and digital either get regulated by the publisher or aren't able to be traded at all.

[xXReiBearXx]

My blog about xbox one already stated how how feel about it lol

[RaZ Vader]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/9175a76e0dbdcaa0bbe78cd1a c20d962/tumblr_mij60zZxwu1qewabxo 1_500.jpg

[xXReiBearXx]

http://25.media.tumblr.com/9175a76e0dbdcaa0bbe78cd1a c20d962/tumblr_mij60zZxwu1qewabxo 1_500.jpg

Amen!

[RaZ Vader]

He has come to save us!

[xXReiBearXx]

He has come to save us!

Praise him!


But I am concerned. I dunno how many people here will be getting xbox one but what will happen to us when the new halo comes out on xbox one and a lot of people don't have xbox one?????

[Blackhawk570]

I will be getting and Xbox One definitely, but I see a lot of new games where you could potentially bring the wars to. I hope one of the games combines ps4 and xbox 1 that would be sick, but if it doesn't we can all express our love for the nonexclusives together :D. Do you guys actually understand the DRM, the pre-owned games deal, and some of the other things going on with the Xbox One?

Also I had a pretty good conversation with Myth discussing one of the biggest things about the Xbox One which is the computing cloud. Basically it takes the load off of some games and provides extra graphical help along with physics and probably processing help as well making it the better system compared to the ps4 when it is concerned about gaming. This cloud can also be upgraded and potentially become as fast as some of the top of the line computers so you don't have to possibly keep upgrading your console unless they want to put some new stuff in the xbox they cannot do with updates. So basically the Xbox One has set itself up for the future while the ps4 is lacking with a tons of things except for the price which Myth even said it is worth $500 easily for an impressive piece of equipment.

I don't mind people getting the PS4 because of their exclusives or they are a ps4 fanboy, but if the reason you are getting the PS4 because of DRM and pre-owned games deal then you probably did not read about how it actually works. I broke it down in the OP if you didn't understand how it works.

[Maxdoggy]

New details on X1's Authentication Process: http://www.ripten.com/2013/06/13/phil-spencer-offers-new-detail-on-xbox-one-authentication/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter

[KazuhLLL]

I will be getting and Xbox One definitely, but I see a lot of new games where you could potentially bring the wars to. I hope one of the games combines ps4 and xbox 1 that would be sick, but if it doesn't we can all express our love for the nonexclusives together :D

Also definitely getting the Xbox One. And *cough* Destiny *cough*

[RaZ Vader]

Must I say why I am getting a PS4 again? Because I don't feel like defending a purchase I want to make anymore...

[KazuhLLL]

Must I say why I am getting a PS4 again? Because I don't feel like defending a purchase I want to make anymore...

Then don't defend it.

Anyway I added a poll and skimmed through some of that OP information. Looking forward to the reputation and smart match improvements :D

Also, Max, that will be very good news to lots of people I'm sure.

[bazongaman502]

Also, Max, that will be very good news to lots of people I'm sure.

Microsoft knows what they are doing lol

This itself actually makes me support the Xbox One even more

[xXReiBearXx]

For people who have no life I say go for xbox one for those who actually have a life go with playstation

[RaZ Vader]

I don't see how this is good news or bad news. Lol.

Don't judge me on the purchase I make but by the content of my character!

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Yes Rei! That too. Lol.

[bazongaman502]

For people who have no life I say go for xbox one for those who actually have a life go with playstation

How? That literally makes no sense at all

Preferences make someone a "no life"?

[xXReiBearXx]

How? That literally makes no sense at all

Preferences make someone a "no life"?

For the hundreth time Zonga xbox one= MANDATORY LOG IN WITH IN 24 HOURS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Which means you HAVE to log in ONCE everyday or you wont be able to play for 24 hours...therefore people who have no lives who spend all day everyday on xbox. Some people don't play xbox everyday so why do they have to be penalized?

[bazongaman502]

For the hundreth time Zonga xbox one= MANDATORY LOG IN WITH IN 24 HOURS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Which means you HAVE to log in ONCE everyday or you wont be able to play for 24 hours...therefore people who have no lives who spend all day everyday on xbox. Some people don't play xbox everyday so why do they have to be penalized?

Read the link Max posted. It seems like you are ignoring everything and only using info from several months ago. Im insulted you just called me a "no life" btw

[SuRroundeD By 1]

Rei, that makes little to no sense considering that the Xbox One now has the possibility of being more family oriented than the PS4 . . . a family can sit down and play games on the X1, switch to TV to watch the next episode of Game of Thrones, and then go on the internet to search for a Coney Islands menu to grab dinner.

While some of the games on the X1 might seem more geared towards hardcore gamers, the system itself is built for family entertainment as well . . . which from the BEGINNING was Bill Gate's vision for the Xbox.

And, I don't know . . . being around your family generally proves you have some sort of life . . . and generally, even if you spend all of your time playing games or doing nothing, you have a life. You don't stop having a life until your brain shuts down permanently . . . I mean, when you say that we're getting into life and death and thin boundaries.

Oh, nice pop art pic btw

EDIT:
No Rei . . . you don't have to log in every day to play . . . if you want to play, you have to have a connection at least once every 24 hours. However, if you don't even play your xbox or turn it on for a day or a few weeks, it wont penalize you . . . you're already not playing . . . it checks your authorization to play a certain game when you turn your xbox on, BUT you don't NEED to log in every day. You just need that connection when you're playing.

[xXReiBearXx]

Rei, that makes little to no sense considering that the Xbox One now has the possibility of being more family oriented than the PS4 . . . a family can sit down and play games on the X1, switch to TV to watch the next episode of Game of Thrones, and then go on the internet to search for a Coney Islands menu to grab dinner.

While some of the games on the X1 might seem more geared towards hardcore gamers, the system itself is built for family entertainment as well . . . which from the BEGINNING was Bill Gate's vision for the Xbox.

And, I don't know . . . being around your family generally proves you have some sort of life . . . and generally, even if you spend all of your time playing games or doing nothing, you have a life. You don't stop having a life until your brain shuts down permanently . . . I mean, when you say that we're getting into life and death and thin boundaries.

Oh, nice pop art pic btw


ok apparently you guys do not understand....if you do not log onto your xbox at least once everyday you will not be able to play for a day. You will be restricted to play because you did not log in for 24 hours. I am NOT saying xbox one is a bad console. I am NOT saying that the CONSOLE itself or it's features are bad. I AM SAYING that MICROSOFT is FORCING gamers to PLAY XBOX EVERYDAY OR BE PENALIZED.....

[bazongaman502]

Rei, that makes little to no sense considering that the Xbox One now has the possibility of being more family oriented than the PS4 . . . a family can sit down and play games on the X1, switch to TV to watch the next episode of Game of Thrones, and then go on the internet to search for a Coney Islands menu to grab dinner.

While some of the games on the X1 might seem more geared towards hardcore gamers, the system itself is built for family entertainment as well . . . which from the BEGINNING was Bill Gate's vision for the Xbox.

And, I don't know . . . being around your family generally proves you have some sort of life . . . and generally, even if you spend all of your time playing games or doing nothing, you have a life. You don't stop having a life until your brain shuts down permanently . . . I mean, when you say that we're getting into life and death and thin boundaries.

Oh, nice pop art pic btw

EDIT:
No Rei . . . you don't have to log in every day to play . . . if you want to play, you have to have a connection at least once every 24 hours. However, if you don't even play your xbox or turn it on for a day or a few weeks, it wont penalize you . . . you're already not playing . . . it checks your authorization to play a certain game when you turn your xbox on, BUT you don't NEED to log in every day. You just need that connection when you're playing.

Thank You! Finally someone said something other than me lol

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ok apparently you guys do not understand....if you do not log onto your xbox at least once everyday you will not be able to play for a day. You will be restricted to play because you did not log in for 24 hours. I am NOT saying xbox one is a bad console. I am NOT saying that the CONSOLE itself or it's features are bad. I AM SAYING that MICROSOFT is FORCING gamers to PLAY XBOX EVERYDAY OR BE PENALIZED.....

Rei, please read everything. It seems you're ignoring everything. and it seem YOU don't understand.

[xXReiBearXx]

When Microsoft first announced the Xbox One, fans expressed concern that the system might demand unreasonable online requirements or exert draconian influence over the used-games market. Those fans turned out to be entirely right.

Although the next Xbox's policies regarding connectivity and pre-owned games are consumer-unfriendly, to say the least, they may be able to offer some innovative features for those dauntless souls who don't mind their hard-earned games being rendered unplayable from time to time.

In order to play games — even single-player, offline ones — Xbox One users must log into Microsoft servers at least once every 24 hours. Microsoft recommends a minimum speed of 1.5 Mbps, which the system can transmit either via built-in wireless or Ethernet connections.

This requirement presents problems right out of the gate. Leaving aside how common broadband connections are, even in wealthy countries (hint: not as common as you might think), 1.5 Mbps is twice the speed of what most broadband users receive


Hmmm....I ignore do i?

[SuRroundeD By 1]

ok apparently you guys do not understand....if you do not log onto your xbox at least once everyday you will not be able to play for a day. You will be restricted to play because you did not log in for 24 hours. I am NOT saying xbox one is a bad console. I am NOT saying that the CONSOLE itself or it's features are bad. I AM SAYING that MICROSOFT is FORCING gamers to PLAY XBOX EVERYDAY OR BE PENALIZED.....

That's simply not true O.O

You have to be connected to the internet at least once every 24 hours so that the game you are playing can be authorized, meaning that it's proven that it belongs to you (so no piracy). If you don't turn on the Xbox, you don't need to prove authorization . . . you don't get penalized for not playing for a day. I don't know who told you that, or if it was you misunderstanding information given to you, but what you just stated simply is not true.

[xXReiBearXx]

That's simply not true O.O

You have to be connected to the internet at least once every 24 hours so that the game you are playing can be authorized, meaning that it's proven that it belongs to you (so no piracy). If you don't turn on the Xbox, you don't need to prove authorization . . . you don't get penalized for not playing for a day. I don't know who told you that, or if it was you misunderstanding information given to you, but what you just stated simply is not true.


Ok well we will see who is right. For your sake I hope it is you so you didn't waste 600 bucks

[Yehsus]

This thread.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xhy-w4o0P70

[xXReiBearXx]

This thread.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=xhy-w4o0P70


LOL You i like

[bazongaman502]

Yes, the Xbox One will require a license refresh once day, which is why the console must be connected to the internet once a day in order to continue to play any kind of game, be it single- or multiplayer. While you will require a 1.5 MB internet connection in order to refresh your Xbox One license, you don’t actually have to reauthenticate through your console. Speaking with Game Informer, Microsoft‘s Phil Spencer has confirmed that a mobile device can be tethered to the Xbox One to perform this necessary license refresh. This is a nice alternative, and while it’s still an obnoxious feature, this actually might make it a tiny bit more bearable.

Spencer also suggested that Microsoft was looking into what will happen at the end of the next console generation. He stated that Microsoft doesn’t want gamers to be cut off from their content when the upcoming console generation comes to a close. That’s much too far into the future for me to consider, though, as the next generation consoles haven’t even launched yet.

from the link you are not looking at. Read the whole thing before jumping into conclusions after the first sentence. Like Surrounded is saying. Your Xbox has to be on when the clock starts ticking for the 24 hours.

Microsofts main eye has always been for North America. Over 90% of the United States has access to internet that has over a 1.5Mbps connection. Europe, China and other countries are second priority to Microsoft. Just look at when games are released in those countries. Look at when the Xbox One will be released in Europe... 2014.

At least every family member in the United States has access to a mobile device that can do this.

[KazuhLLL]

Hmmm....I ignore do i?

Yes. You do.

You do not need to physically turn on your X1 once a day in order to play games. That's entirely different than a 24 hour authentication grace period. I could quit gaming for 6 months and play on an X1 the instant I wanted so, so long as my Internet wasn't down. Basically you would turn on the console and it would see it hasn't been authenticated within the last 24 hours. The next step would be to request authentication from the servers. After it had done so, you could be on your merry way playing games.

It's not like a Tamagotchi that'll die if you leave it alone for too long. Lol.


Ok well we will see who is right. For your sake I hope it is you so you didn't waste 600 bucks

*$500

[RaZ Vader]

Being Online all the time, not being online. WHATEVER.

My Big beef right now with the Xbox JUAN is that it comes with a kinect. It is $100 more. I don't want to pay for something I am not going to use, and even if I did use it, it would be only be to say "OFF & ON"

I don't give a shit about the TV & Cable. I already got those through my cable provider.

It is a little less powerful than the playstation. (cloud is still confusing on how it is going to work with performance)

I barley play games via XBOX right now because nothing is interesting me. Not even Halo. I already stated that I am growing old of this Franchise.

A lot of my friends will be getting Playstations. I would love to play with them.

ALSO, here is a closer look at the PS4 Controller if anyone is interested.

http://kotaku.com/up-close-and-oh-so-personal-with-the-playstation-4-cont-513044199

I also know that Playstation+ Members will continue to get Free games all year round. Not like Microsoft where it expires in November. (more perks for being a +Subscriber).

The positives for the playstation out weigh Microsoft's for me. But, I don't hate anyone who gets an Xbox ONE lol

[xXReiBearXx]

from the link you are not looking at. Read the whole thing before jumping into conclusions after the first sentence. Like Surrounded is saying. Your Xbox has to be on when the clock starts ticking for the 24 hours.

Microsofts main eye has always been for North America. Over 90% of the United States has access to internet that has over a 1.5Mbps connection. Europe, China and other countries are second priority to Microsoft. Just look at when games are released in those countries. Look at when the Xbox One will be released in Europe... 2014.

#1 I did read that link you gave me. #2 what happened to you saying " you can't believe what you read/hear?" So basically what you are doing is being hypocritical.


Also I get the whole end piracy thing but what about people who have more than one xbox in their home? So I buy a game that I can only play in one room? or what if i want to play my game at your house? Oh wow I can't even do that!

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Yes. You do.

You do not need to physically turn on your X1 once a day in order to play games. That's entirely different than a 24 hour authentication grace period. I could quit gaming for 6 months and play on an X1 the instant I wanted so, so long as my Internet wasn't down. Basically you would turn on the console and it would see it hasn't been authenticated within the last 24 hours. The next step would be to request authentication from the servers. After it had done so, you could be on your merry way playing games.

It's not like a Tamagotchi that'll die if you leave it alone for too long. Lol.



*$500



I don't ignore. There are so many game sites saying the same things on both ends. I read them all and go with who I trust. Also it is $499 +tax which usually ends up close to six _|_(>_<)

[RaZ Vader]

#1 I did read that link you gave me. #2 what happened to you saying " you can't believe what you read/hear?" So basically what you are doing is being hypocritical.


Also I get the whole end piracy thing but what about people who have more than one xbox in their home? So I buy a game that I can only play in one room? or what if i want to play my game at your house? Oh wow I can't even do that!

Oh you can Rei. But ZongaDOnga has to be on your friendslist for 30 days, and you can only share it with one person. lmao

[xXReiBearXx]

Oh you can Rei. But ZongaDOnga has to be on your friendslist for 30 days, and you can only share it with one person. lmao

Oh that is fan freaking tastic. 30 days before I can play my game with you zonga lol Oh boy!

[SuRroundeD By 1]

Ok Raz . . . we're not trying to convert you. If you want a PS4, get a PS4 . . .

We're trying to prevent the spread of false information . . . and some of us are spreading our excitement for the new system. Yes, the PS4 is a little more powerful, but the difference isn't ground breaking. The PC still beats all :P

If you want a PS4, get a Ps4 . . .

EDIT:

Oh, and with Michigan tax, X1 = $533.93, closer to $500 than $600. So . . . K-man was right. \m/(-_0)\m/

[bazongaman502]

Its not even worth fighting anymore. I keep throwing facts and they keep being ignored. Whatever, enjoy your PS4, ill enjoy my "No Life" Xbox One

Also, if I havent known you are or claimed you as a friend for only 30 days, im not gonna trust you with my shit. Iv been friends with people for 10+ years and I still don't trust them with my shit. I still even struggle trusting my brother that I have known my entire life.

[KazuhLLL]

Also I get the whole end piracy thing but what about people who have more than one xbox in their home? So I buy a game that I can only play in one room? or what if i want to play my game at your house? Oh wow I can't even do that!

Xbox One makes it even easier to play your games at someone else's house.. You don't even need the disc >.<

And there's a system where up to 10 of your friends and family can have access to your game library. They haven't hashed out the details but apparently they need to before absolutely everyone is misinformed. The 30-day thing is for when you want to permanently transfer your ownership of a game to someone else. It's NOT for lending.

[xXReiBearXx]

Its not even worth fighting anymore. I keep throwing facts and they keep being ignored. Whatever, enjoy your PS4, ill enjoy my "No Life" Xbox One

Also, if I havent known you are or claimed you as a friend for only 30 days, im not gonna trust you with my shit. Iv been friends with people for 10+ years and I still don't trust them with my shit. I still even struggle trusting my brother that I have known my entire life.

Yes facts...I can google facts about xbox one all day. Facts to me is this stuff being said OFFICIALLY by microsoft on their website and not on some gaming website that could have also been misinformed. How about this. Those who get xbox one let us know how it really is and then make me eat my words ok ^^

EDIT: And I DID NOT IGNORE what you posted. I read it and I disagreed that doesn't mean I ignored it.

[bazongaman502]

Yes facts...I can google facts about xbox one all day. Facts to me is this stuff being said OFFICIALLY by microsoft on their website and not on some gaming website that could have also been misinformed. How about this. Those who get xbox one let us know how it really is and then make me eat my words ok ^^

EDIT: And I DID NOT IGNORE what you posted. I read it and I disagreed that doesn't mean I ignored it.

Im not going to say it, im gonna hold back. Enjoy your PS4

[xXReiBearXx]

Im not going to say it, im gonna hold back. Enjoy your PS4

Yup you do that....and I will enjoy Ps4 Thanks :thumbs up:

[Blackhawk570]

fuck it im getting a dog instead

[xXReiBearXx]

fuck it im getting a dog instead

LOL!!! Btw LOOOOOOOVE the new sig you got there!

[Maxdoggy]

Misinformation FTW!
Hating on the X1 is trendy FTW!


Woohoo!!


Me gusta el Xbox Juan. Yo voy a comprar el Xbox Juan. Voy a disfrutar mi Xbox Juan.

[bazongaman502]

Me gusta el Xbox Juan. Yo voy a comprar el Xbox Juan. Voy a disfrutar mi Xbox Juan.

All I know out of that is Xbox Juan lol

HOORRAYYY FOR LACK OF PAYING ATTENTION IN HIGH SCHOOL! lol

[Specact]

All I know out of that is Xbox Juan lol

HOORRAYYY FOR LACK OF PAYING ATTENTION IN HIGH SCHOOL! lol

He likes and is buying the Xbox Juan. lol

[bazongaman502]

He likes and is buying the Xbox Juan. lol

I guess I could have used Google Translate lol

[KazuhLLL]

I believe everyone should read this post: http://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/1g8t5e/lets_clear_up_the_issues_ used_games_kinect/

It may clear up many misconceptions for some people.

[bazongaman502]

I believe everyone should read this post: http://www.reddit.com/r/xboxone/comments/1g8t5e/lets_clear_up_the_issues_ used_games_kinect/

It may clear up many misconceptions for some people.

It may clear up some peoples... not everyones though sadly. But that is a good layout and explanation to everything.

[Fiery Grave]

Rei here you go... xbox webiste everything you been "researching"
http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/license
look through all the things and it will tell you the truth...
raz you can play the game at any friends house any time as long as you bring your profile with you (which i do personally, cause its a party of me and I want my saves!)

[ballzz2wall]

I can't not have Halo, Xbox One; you win this round.

[zZ Dr K Zz]

4154

[Blackhawk570]

4154

Dam I guess I will have to move to Australia

[Maxdoggy]

Don't know if it's real or not, but...http://www.neowin.net/news/anonymous-xbox-engineer-explains-drm-and-microsofts-xbox-one-intentions

[SuRroundeD By 1]

That was awesome haha

Even if it isn't real, who cares. I like that guys attitude. Screw political correctness XD

[RaZ Vader]

If it is True. Both systems will be doing this one day. If they do this, than I better start seeing better deals for Digital Downloads vs Hard-Disc Copy downloads.

Both systems will do this. The guy in that article explained it well. Microsoft is sprinting to see if this will work, and Sony is walking down the track to see what happens.

Either way, it seems a lot of console gamers prefer the traditional discs... for now. I for one am all for Digital Download deals like Steam. Paying $30 vs $60 is good in my book. Works for everyone too.

BUT. I digress, this is in the future.

[Graycochea]

Here's a question I have for the Xbox camp. Will one need the space required for the Kinect to operate the whole ball of wax? If I do get an X1, I'll probably plant an armchair right in front of the TV. Would that hinder my ability to play games?

[Fiery Grave]

Here's a question I have for the Xbox camp. Will one need the space required for the Kinect to operate the whole ball of wax? If I do get an X1, I'll probably plant an armchair right in front of the TV. Would that hinder my ability to play games?

No, it wont. They have stated the new connect is completely optional to use. it also works in closer proximity than the old kinect (the spent a lot of time and money on this thing making it a great piece of tech... one of my teachers got to play with one (using and coding for) for a day and he said he really enjoyed what it could do and the possibilities... and it was just a prototype model.

i like how microsoft is being like "HERE now every one is going to have the same tech and Developers can do cool shit with it because they know you have it" When your working with less variables while making a game it allows you to be more creative and do what you want.

[KazuhLLL]

Here's a question I have for the Xbox camp. Will one need the space required for the Kinect to operate the whole ball of wax? If I do get an X1, I'll probably plant an armchair right in front of the TV. Would that hinder my ability to play games?

It's been described as easily usable and responsive from as close as ~3 feet away to as far as ~12 feet away/

[xXReiBearXx]

Rei here you go... xbox webiste everything you been "researching"
http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/license
look through all the things and it will tell you the truth...
raz you can play the game at any friends house any time as long as you bring your profile with you (which i do personally, cause its a party of me and I want my saves!)

Well look at that. Someone pays attention. Ok you got that one sir. I guess I will give it a month or so after launch to see how much truth there is to what microsoft is saying.

[bl4yze]

Well look at that. Someone pays attention. Ok you got that one sir. I guess I will give it a month or so after launch to see how much truth there is to what microsoft is saying.

I don't think they'd make official statements like that if there wasn't any truth behind them. but have fun on the ps4 bandwagon.

[RaZ Vader]

It is possible people just want the PS4 because they like what it offers? Without certain restrictions it is imposing?

eh. I am not on this "bandwagon" So I hate when people refer people as "band-wagoners" that legitimately want the ps4 for legitimate reasons. I mean.. look what the PS4 offers:

• Free Game every month. All Year for + Owners
• Option to play offline if you don't have a stable connection
• Can travel with your PS4 without restrictions (great for our military folk)
• A controller that has the ability to immerse you even more with gameplay

I mean even if Microsoft will change a few things here and their, I still don't like how their support treats customers with the idea of well get an X360 if you don't have a connection attitude.

IDK, for me this is about money, and immersing my experience with a console that I feel will best fit my needs. I am sure others feel the same with the X1.

Let us remember that this is just a gaming console, and these petty arguments really don't matter. Things may or may not change up until release. So yeah, let's all wait. Microsoft may announce even more, Sony may too.

[Sir Nihlus]

But the thing I don't understand with the concept of having to install games on Xbox One, is that wouldn't it use up all your 500GB memory pretty quickly? Depending on several factors of course, like the amount of games you end up getting, the amount of updates installed and DLC? Sounds to me, that you'll end up forking out $80 to get a new hard drive every so often, spanning the full life/ decade or so with the Xbox One.

Personally, I'll be making the jump to PS4 as I don't care much about the Kinect and the TV features/ services (which won't even be available to the UK I'll add.) Plus the Xbox One, just sounds like a 'restrictive' console with all these new policies; you can't simply lend a game to a friend, you can't simply sell your games anymore, and it forks out the fingers to those who perhaps live in rural areas where internet isn't exactly a strong point.

Anyway, coming back to my original point, I'll be getting the PS4 simply because it seems to be a console that is focused on gamers and keeps with the traditions even more so, as well as being a lot cheaper (main selling point for me) for a console that has similar and one or two superior specs to the Xbox One.

[Juggernaut9473]

will people quit bitching about one console or another? there are somethings that one does over the other, it has always been like that, everyone has their legitimate reasons as to why they want a specific console, there are no bandwagons, no cults, just people planning on getting what they want. its their money, not ours so let them get what they want and be done with it

[RaZ Vader]

But the thing I don't understand with the concept of having to install games on Xbox One, is that wouldn't it use up all your 500GB memory pretty quickly? Depending on several factors of course, like the amount of games you end up getting, the amount of updates installed and DLC? Sounds to me, that you'll end up forking out $80 to get a new hard drive every so often, spanning the full life/ decade or so with the Xbox One.

Personally, I'll be making the jump to PS4 as I don't care much about the Kinect and the TV features/ services (which won't even be available to the UK I'll add.) Plus the Xbox One, just sounds like a 'restrictive' console with all these new policies; you can't simply lend a game to a friend, you can't simply sell your games anymore, and it forks out the fingers to those who perhaps live in rural areas where internet isn't exactly a strong point.

Anyway, coming back to my original point, I'll be getting the PS4 simply because it seems to be a console that is focused on gamers and keeps with the traditions even more so, as well as being a lot cheaper (main selling point for me) for a console that has similar and one or two superior specs to the Xbox One.

Those reasons sum up my reasoning as well at this point.

Except the restrictions will be about the same for each console, but if you want to sell your hard-copy it may be different. I am still unsure. Microsoft seems unclear of their actions at this point. I don't like that either. No matter what statistic or fact you throw out at anyone, it is the premiss of the matter.

Gamers have a funny feeling with Microsoft. Call it what you will. But it just seems shady. Eh. My feelings may be misguided or not needed. Either way... We will wait to see if anything changes. The Price being one of them.

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will people quit bitching about one console or another? there are somethings that one does over the other, it has always been like that, everyone has their legitimate reasons as to why they want a specific console, there are no bandwagons, no cults, just people planning on getting what they want. its their money, not ours so let them get what they want and be done with it

[xXReiBearXx]

I don't think they'd make official statements like that if there wasn't any truth behind them. but have fun on the ps4 bandwagon.


Um there are always rumors that spread about gaming consoles waaaay before they are even announced. Therefore unless it is stated on the OFFICIAL website will I believe that there is truth. I had looked on the xbox websites and there was no mention to shut down the rumors until now. And I will have fun on ps4 thanks.

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will people quit bitching about one console or another? there are somethings that one does over the other, it has always been like that, everyone has their legitimate reasons as to why they want a specific console, there are no bandwagons, no cults, just people planning on getting what they want. its their money, not ours so let them get what they want and be done with it

I agree. I am not bitching just stating why i don't want a xbox one. Regardless of what is being said I don't see why I cant just get a ps4 unless someone who strongly disagreess wants to buy me a xbox one lol

[Maxdoggy]

will people quit bitching about one console or another? there are somethings that one does over the other, it has always been like that, everyone has their legitimate reasons as to why they want a specific console, there are no bandwagons, no cults, just people planning on getting what they want. its their money, not ours so let them get what they want and be done with it

Neutrality and kindness bandwagoner. :)

[Juggernaut9473]

I agree. I am not bitching just stating why i don't want a xbox one. Regardless of what is being said I don't see why I cant just get a ps4 unless someone who strongly disagreess wants to buy me a xbox one lol

thats my point. let everyone get what they want, you want a ps4 so get one, i want an X1 so thats what i will get. i will be getting a ps4 eventually for some of the exclusives but i have always liked xbox more, and inspite of all that has been going on, i still want an xbox first. my personal opinion. different for everyone


Neutrality and kindness bandwagoner. :)

i'll kill you with that wagon :thumbsup:

[bl4yze]

It is possible people just want the PS4 because they like what it offers? Without certain restrictions it is imposing?

eh. I am not on this "bandwagon" So I hate when people refer people as "band-wagoners" that legitimately want the ps4 for legitimate reasons.

I'm not denying that. I'm more referring to people who make these mord 'word of mouth' claims, from sensationalized memes and rumors they've seen online.

[xXReiBearXx]

I'm not denying that. I'm more referring to people who make these mord 'word of mouth' claims, from sensationalized memes and rumors they've seen online.

Like i have stated before rumors spread way before official release. Remeber the rumors of the so called xbox 720? Heard about that last year. Everyone was like dude the new xbox is gonna be called xbox 720!! Until microsoft says otherwise people will assume that the info they are finding out is true. "word of mouth" is the FIRST way people hear about products before announcment from official companies. Also I have seen ONE meme online and did not base my judement on that thanks. And before I even looked online for information i was TOLD by MANY different people about said rumors and when I did look online I had found many MANY sites stating the same rumors. Either way it doesn't justify putting people in a catagory. Apparently people who play xbox could never associate with playstation owners.

[bazongaman502]

there are "bandwagons". Mainly however, they have been for attacks to each other rather than "im getting this, and you're getting that". That is the only problem. Problems are being created after false claims from many months ago and people refuse to believe what they hear (however the things they do believe they hear tend to be false as well).

I plan to buy a PS4 down the road. But its not my #1 choice by a longshot. Iv always supported Microsoft since I can remember and I have no reason to turn on them now. Iv always had problems with Sony, everything from the PS1 to their TVs. Im willing to give them a shot, but not an immediate shot right of the bat. I'll probably give the Wii U a shot before the PS4 XD lol

Maybe between a year to possibly 4 years from now I'll probably actually consider buying it.

Also, I love how the Xbox One is being intended as to being what "Steam" is today. I fully support that, let alone what it could result (game pricing dropping and big deals on games) :D

[Blackhawk570]

Dude if they have deals like the Steam Summer Sales and Christmas Sales I will be spraying everywhere.

[bazongaman502]

Dude if they have deals like the Steam Summer Sales and Christmas Sales I will be spraying everywhere.

Fully agree. I still stand by with "The Xbox One is going into the future". Steam already has it and it is working very well for them. Xbox One might get hit in a negative way at the start (just like Steam did when it first started), but it will fix itself over due time if they do game sales like steam does. $30 games while PS4 is still selling them at $60, FUCKKK YEEEAAAAAHHHH!!!!! lol

[Maxdoggy]

Fully agree. I still stand by with "The Xbox One is going into the future". Steam already has it and it is working very well for them. Xbox One might get hit in a negative way at the start (just like Steam did when it first started), but it will fix itself over due time if they do game sales like steam does. $30 games while PS4 is still selling them at $60, FUCKKK YEEEAAAAAHHHH!!!!! lol

I doubt we'll get to a $30 price point in the next few years. M$ only needs to undersell by a little bit to win. We'll probably see Day 1 Digital Downloads at $50 in the next two years, in my opinion.

[zZ Dr K Zz]

But the thing I don't understand with the concept of having to install games on Xbox One, is that wouldn't it use up all your 500GB memory pretty quickly? Depending on several factors of course, like the amount of games you end up getting, the amount of updates installed and DLC? Sounds to me, that you'll end up forking out $80 to get a new hard drive every so often, spanning the full life/ decade or so with the Xbox One.

Not really, no. I have the 250GB and I only install games that I am currently playing or see myself playing for awhile (such as BF3). And you can always end up deleting dlc/updates and digitally downloaded games as well. It'll always be available for re-download so it wouldn't be a huge deal.

BF3 is the biggest game on my HDD, with all the updates/installed, it takes up 20GB of space. 500gb is plenty of room.

Then again, since they have blu-ray on the Xbox One, some games could be up to 25GB to install or double that if it's dual layered. We shall see though.

And I can fully see the connection of how Xbox One is becoming Steam, which is a very cool and exciting thing. Now that E3 is over, I'm sure more details will be ironed out for both consoles. It's going to be an interesting and exciting year!

[KazuhLLL]

Not really, no. I have the 250GB and I only install games that I am currently playing or see myself playing for awhile (such as BF3). And you can always end up deleting dlc/updates and digitally downloaded games as well. It'll always be available for re-download so it wouldn't be a huge deal.

BF3 is the biggest game on my HDD, with all the updates/installed, it takes up 20GB of space. 500gb is plenty of room.

Then again, since they have blu-ray on the Xbox One, some games could be up to 25GB to install or double that if it's dual layered. We shall see though.

And I can fully see the connection of how Xbox One is becoming Steam, which is a very cool and exciting thing. Now that E3 is over, I'm sure more details will be ironed out for both consoles. It's going to be an interesting and exciting year!

I don't understand the complaints about the hard drive space. Generally speaking, anyone who has enough money to buy enough games to fill up their X1's hard drive can afford to spend another $100 on a 2TB external one. :P

[Maxdoggy]

I don't understand the complaints about the hard drive space. Generally speaking, anyone who has enough money to buy enough games to fill up their X1's hard drive can afford to spend another $100 on a 2TB external one. :P

The best part about the hard drive issue with the X1 is that we don't have to pay for over-priced console-specific HDD's like we used to and now PS4 does. The ideas on HDDs completely switched this generation. Lol.

[Graycochea]

Is Watch Dogs going to be on Xbox? I saw an ad for it on the Dashboard. It seems odd there'd be ad space for a PS exclusive on Xbox.

[Blackhawk570]

Is Watch Dogs going to be on Xbox? I saw an ad for it on the Dashboard. It seems odd there'd be ad space for a PS exclusive on Xbox.

Yeah is it for both. Everything is listted in the OP

[KillerGUNNY132]

So....this is gonna be a thing with the X1.

4157

If you get banned on Xbox Live, you basically can't play them on the X1 anymore if I'm understanding correctly. Wow.

[Blackhawk570]

So....this is gonna be a thing with the X1.

4157

If you get banned on Xbox Live, you basically can't play them on the X1 anymore if I'm understanding correctly. Wow.

Report KillerGunny's profile for tampering.

[KazuhLLL]

(Supposedly) leaked Microsoft E3 PR document:
http://pastebin.com/TpuMDSjv


Highlights:
amazing games like ‘Forza Motorsport 5,’ ‘Freedom,’ ‘Walker,’ “Dakota”, “Below” and ‘Osiris,’
Xbox Live offers Xbox One unlimited storage space in the cloud
expanding parties from eight to 32 players
When the transition from MSP -> $$$ takes place, the balance of Microsoft Points in an account will be retired and the customer will be given an amount in local currency that is equal or greater in Marketplace value.
Advertisements will not be visible on the home screen
multiplayer cross generation will not be available
"The new party system also helps you seamlessly transition back and forth between Party Chat and Game Chat."
party chat and game chat will not be available between Xbox One and Xbox 360 Live members
party scout - sets up and manages parties for a group reducing the amount of waiting time for the other party members
"Upload Studio allows you to personalize your video clips using a suite of editing tools, including clipping, voice over, slow motion, picture in picture, skins, bookends, some music and others."
arcade games will be available on Xbox One at launch
There will be an HDMI cable that comes bundled with the console.
you can connect at least eight controllers simultaneously
"The two buttons in the middle of the Wireless Controller are Menu and View buttons. The Menu button (on the right) will bring up context-specific menus, which game and app developers can design to enhance the user experience. The Menu button could also be used in scenarios such as bringing up in-game menus, showing video playback options, and accessing commands on the console’s user interface. The View button (on the left) will change views or provide more information in games and apps. The function of the View button will be driven by developers. Possible uses of the View button include viewing a map during a role playing game, displaying a leaderboard in a first person shooter, and enhancing the navigation of the console’s user interface."

[KillerGUNNY132]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I like all of that. 32 player parties? Fuck yeah. Although things could get...loud.

[KazuhLLL]

^^^^^^^^^^^^^

I like all of that. 32 player parties? Fuck yeah. Although things could get...loud.

Indeed, lol. The thing about "party scout" interests me, though. In the context of FC, a War Director could be the scout managing the party and we could fit the entire Co-Op chat in a 32-man party, if need be.

Also,


So....this is gonna be a thing with the X1.

4157

If you get banned on Xbox Live, you basically can't play them on the X1 anymore if I'm understanding correctly. Wow.

https://twitter.com/xboxsupport1/status/345775684045660160

Terrible Microsoft PR strikes again!

[Maxdoggy]

https://twitter.com/xboxsupport1/status/345775684045660160

Terrible Microsoft PR strikes again!

:facepalm:


Some other cool features, though.

[Al Capone111]

So....this is gonna be a thing with the X1.

4157

If you get banned on Xbox Live, you basically can't play them on the X1 anymore if I'm understanding correctly. Wow.

Boo-fuckity-hoo.

Should be punished if actually tampering/hacking in any manner.

[RaZ Vader]

Lol. I give up.

[Graycochea]

Lol. I give up.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zO601Fv_l9E

[Blackhawk570]

http://i.imgur.com/q8aA5Hh.png

[Andimion]

And fuck it all.

I found this thread to be infinitely more reliable then the xbox confr during E3. I was so skeptical about all this stupid shit going on with consoles. I work too much to actually pay attention to these things so really I was going to get 1 XboxOne for Jess and I to play Halo5.. For a single game, ansd I was alright with that. But after taking in as much info as I have in this thread, im happy with that decision.

BUT, Im probably going to have to make a brand new xbox live account.. Because the status of my current account still reads as achievement banned.. I dont know how getting 70k achievements when I had no life coming out of highschool classifies me as a cheater.. Because I played games offline, turned on live and magically had half a game achievements. But alas, fuck it. lol I should start brainstorming my next GT. Ive only had 60+ different alt accounts... -_-

[RaZ Vader]

And fuck it all.

I found this thread to be infinitely more reliable then the xbox confr during E3. I was so skeptical about all this stupid shit going on with consoles. I work too much to actually pay attention to these things so really I was going to get 1 XboxOne for Jess and I to play Halo5.. For a single game, ansd I was alright with that. But after taking in as much info as I have in this thread, im happy with that decision.

BUT, Im probably going to have to make a brand new xbox live account.. Because the status of my current account still reads as achievement banned.. I dont know how getting 70k achievements when I had no life coming out of highschool classifies me as a cheater.. Because I played games offline, turned on live and magically had half a game achievements. But alas, fuck it. lol I should start brainstorming my next GT. Ive only had 60+ different alt accounts... -_-

Want mine? Lmao

[Andimion]

Want your what? GT?! Fuck no! Ew lol jks

[KazuhLLL]

So in an interview Major Nelson said that the HDMI input wasn't limited to cable boxes. Apparently if you wanted you could hook up your X360 to your X1 and you could get all the quick-switching goodness between the two.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lMhjM9BK7M&noredirect=1

Oh, and it seems that if you connect your cable box through your X1, you can still get game and party invites while watching TV.

[zZ Dr K Zz]

Anybody know if the Xbox One will have an encrypted HDMI this time around? Because the PS3 has that and it's going to be a big problem if the Xbox One has it as well.

[Blackhawk570]

It probably will, but you won't be able to record with the DVR on the X1 anyway because it is strictly for games. Also I just tried to do this with my normal cable box and capture card and it did not work.

[Maxdoggy]

So in an interview Major Nelson said that the HDMI input wasn't limited to cable boxes. Apparently if you wanted you could hook up your X360 to your X1 and you could get all the quick-switching goodness between the two.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2lMhjM9BK7M&noredirect=1

Oh, and it seems that if you connect your cable box through your X1, you can still get game and party invites while watching TV.

Awesome!!