Ripping us off.

[UberDick]

PC gaming was bad enough, with being unable to re-sell games, you basically install a PC game and the disc becomes useless. Now the xbox is trying the same thing to prevent piracy.

Microsoft no longer listens to, or cares about it's gaming community, they treat everyone like pirates, and restricting everything causes more people to try and break free. Don't get me started on the over priced games.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_deta ilpage&v=HBmotXr0ZvA


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WRIa-oVYoQ4

[Blackhawk570]

You can resell games still....

[bazongaman502]

Do people even read anymore? Its like the same argument all over again -.-

[JamiDJ]

Do people even read anymore? Its like the same argument all over again -.-

[bl4yze]

copypasta:

USED GAMES
One of the X1's main feature is the ability to install the disc directly to the hard drive and play it without a disk. Correct me if I'm wrong, but this is a feature many asked for when the feature was added to 360, but it was only to allow the game to run better.
Contrary to popular believe, the used game does exist in the X1.
"Trade-in and resell your disc-based games: Today, some gamers choose to sell their old disc-based games back for cash and credit. We designed Xbox One so game publishers can enable you to trade in your games at participating retailers. Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games."
What can we take away from this? Easy. If you bought a disc based game, you can sell and trade it to any participating retailer. It means that game publishers will work out deals with retailers in order for the developers and publishers to take a cut of used games sales. Microsoft will not receive any money from these transactions. If you bought a digital copy, just like any digital copy, you will not be able to do this.
FIRST PARTY GAMES
"In our role as a game publisher, Microsoft Studios will enable you to give your games to friends or trade in your Xbox One games at participating retailers. Third party publishers may opt in or out of supporting game resale and may set up business terms or transfer fees with retailers. Microsoft does not receive any compensation as part of this. In addition, third party publishers can enable you to give games to friends. Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners."
All first party games will be allowed to be resold and be given away (more of this below).
RENTING GAMES
"Loaning or renting games won’t be available at launch, but we are exploring the possibilities with our partners."
Microsoft and companies such as Gamefly are working on a system to make this work.
DRM--WHY?
As we saw above, you will be able install your games to your hard-drive and have your entire library available to play without putting the disc in the disc tray.
This is why the 24-hour check is required. Without this, many copies of the same game could be installed into multiple X1's and it would be absolutely crumble game sales.
The drawback to this is not being able to game offline. Microsoft has said that the final decisions to this issue have not been final. I believe if they allow you to play offline with the disc in the disc tray, this would become a non-issue.
PRIVACY
This is one of the biggest things people have been complaining about. Microsoft has already addressed the issue, but of course it fell on deaf ears. People already had their pitch forks out and had Sony on a pedestal by this point.
"You are in control of when Kinect sensing is On, Off or Paused: If you don’t want the Kinect sensor on while playing games or enjoying your entertainment, you can pause Kinect. To turn off your Xbox One, just say “Xbox Off.” When the system is off, it’s only listening for the single voice command -- “Xbox On,” and you can even turn that feature off too. Some apps and games may require Kinect functionality to operate, so you’ll need to turn it back on for these experiences."
As I've stated before, you will have the control to everything that the Kinect has to offer. If you don't want it to hear you? You can do that. If you don't want it to see you, you can do that. Don't want it to listen for the "Xbox On" while it's off, you can also do that.
If you want to learn more about the Kinect's privacy settings, you can click this link: Kinect Privacy (http://news.xbox.com/2013/06/privacy)[1]
XBOX ONE- A GAME OF CIRCLES
Now onto the other things. As some of us know, you will be able to have a "circle" of friends, 10 people to be exact, that will be able to access your game library from anywhere (in the same region, I'm assuming..still not clear about this) at anytime (as long as you or someone else in your circle isn't playing it). This is of course how things work now, two of your friends can't play the game at the same time from one disc on two separate consoles.
This is a feature that is absolutely wonderful, but the people raging about it had not heard about it before.
"Give your family access to your entire games library anytime, anywhere: Xbox One will enable new forms of access for families. Up to ten members of your family can log in and play from your shared games library on any Xbox One. Just like today, a family member can play your copy of Forza Motorsport at a friend’s house. Only now, they will see not just Forza, but all of your shared games. You can always play your games, and any one of your family members can be playing from your shared library at a given time."
I absolutely love this feature. For example, my cousin is 200 miles away when he's away to college and I've let him borrow LA Noire and Dead Rising. I've yet to receive those games from him. With this feature, we don't have to be close in order for him to borrow any of my games! It's crazy as to how so many people dismissed this feature because it's a big jump forward in digital technology. No longer will my friends or family have to be close to me in order for them borrow one of my games.
GIVING AWAY GAMES
Do you have a game that you will no longer play? Your friend can still play it off of your Xbox (if they're in your circle). What if they're not? As long as they have been in your friend's list for 30 days, you can give a game away to your friend, free of charge! This can only be done once per copy.
Disclaimer: Microsoft has left it up to the publishers to decide whether or not you will be able to give your games to your friend. As stated above, first party games will allow you to this.
AFTER-THOUGHT: ADDITIONAL INFORMATION
The big change in the Xbox Live system is the feature to allow all users on one console to have gold by just one user having it. For example, if I have Xbox Live Gold and my brothers also use the same console, they will also be able to use all the perks of a Gold account. They will have access to all the games on the console even if it was installed through my account.
In short, one Gold account subscription per Xbox.
AFTER-THOUGHT OF AN AFTER-THOUGHT, A KINECT STORY
Disclaimer, the following is information that I believe. I have no source for some, just my opinion.
The main question I'm seeing is why the Kinect is being forced upon us. This is what I believe is the case in relation to this matter.
The past version of the Kinect was not the big leap in innovating that Microsoft wanted. It is a powerful machine, but many developers were not making games for it. The games that were being made specifically for the Kinect we really not that great. They didn't appeal to many gamers as they were soft and childish. This wasn't what Microsoft was looking for from developers.
Why weren't developers making games for the Kinect? Was it because they couldn't?
A CHANGE OF MARKETS
If a developer made a game for the Kinect, their market instantly became much smaller. Why? Not everyone has a Kinect. As of February 2013, the Kinect has sold an estimated 24 million units. This does not mean that these units have been sold to individual customers, but to retailers. Which means that there are Kinects in the shelves or warehouses that will never reach the individual customer. In comparison, the 360 has sold an estimated 77.2 million units, again not all sold to invidual customers, but it's safe to assume that there a lot more 360's in the hand of an individual customer than there is Kinects. In an instant, your market shrinks to about 31% of the possible market. Keep in mind, this number will change depending on how many units of each product have been sold to each consumer.
With that information given to you, what I believe is happening is simple. Microsoft is shipping a Kinect with every console because like this, if you own an Xbox One--you will aso own a Kinect. With this, I'm thinking Microsoft is ensuring the developers that the market is out there! In this move, Microsoft want the developers to explore the possibilities of the Kinect. They want newer innovations as they believe they've made a product with enormous potential. Why do you believe they were showing the Kinect down everyone's throat last E3? They wanted to expand their market.
Just think of everything that can be developed for the Kinect. For example, Dead Rising 3 will have a feature where it will listen outside of the game through the Kinect. If you make a loud sound while playing, the zombies will hear you and they will come after you. This is the kind of thing Microsoft is looking for with the Kinect, innovation.
As to why it can't be disconnected, that I'm not sure. Maybe it's for the same thing? I can't expand further on this.

[Yehsus]

I remember ppl use to hate on the 360 when it first came out for right and wrong reasons. Everyone still ended up buying it.

All this rage is nothing short of comical. An entertainment system should not effect your life this much.

[Juggernaut9473]

I remember ppl use to hate on the 360 when it first came out for right and wrong reasons. Everyone still ended up buying it.

All this rage is nothing short of comical. An entertainment system should not effect your life this much.

Never thought I would say this.......but keep going

Probably the only time I won't want you to shut up

[Fiery Grave]

PC gaming was bad enough, with being unable to re-sell games, you basically install a PC game and the disc becomes useless. Now the xbox is trying the same thing to prevent piracy.

Microsoft no longer listens to, or cares about it's gaming community, they treat everyone like pirates, and restricting everything causes more people to try and break free. Don't get me started on the over priced games.


No they are listening to the DEVELOPERS more than the consumer... because sure the consumer knows what they want, but if developers no longer see profit why would the make games? And making games for consoles is already not the most ideal thing to do.

When a developer gets about 5$ of your purchase on console games. Where as steam they get 70%... Which seems more appealing... why go through the bother of making a console game? I know when we were researching this my class ( i am in game development final year about to start our first real project) everyone was like "I am only ever making a steam game" but honestly this makes the xbox seem much more appealing to make games for...

Also its not to stop Piracy... piracy is getting Illigitamte copies of the game... its to not be dumb...

On both PC & X1 if you could re sell games freely with no drm it would go like this:
Buy game
Install
Pass to your freinds to install
Return for almost full price
play game forever as you no longer need disk.

Also the resale value of games would plummet because there would be so many used games all the time.. they already hand you shit for how much they sell them for imagine getting 10$ on a game that came out the day before

[Coda]

]One of the X1's main feature is the ability to install the disc directly to the hard drive and play it without a disk


Microsoft does not charge a platform fee to retailers, publishers, or consumers for enabling transfer of these games."


you can sell and trade it to any participating retailer. It means that game publishers will work out deals with retailers in order for the developers and publishers to take a cut of used games sales. Microsoft will not receive any money from these transactions.


Third party publishers may opt in or out of supporting game resale and may set up business terms or transfer fees with retailers.


you will be able install your games to your hard-drive and have your entire library available to play without putting the disc in the disc tray


This is why the 24-hour check is required. Without this, many copies of the same game could be installed into multiple X1's and it would be absolutely crumble game sales


You are in control of when Kinect sensing is On, Off or Paused


Now onto the other things. As some of us know, you will be able to have a "circle" of friends, 10 people to be exact, that will be able to access your game library from anywhere


Dead Rising 3 will have a feature where it will listen outside of the game through the Kinect. If you make a loud sound while playing, the zombies will hear you and they will come after you. This is the kind of thing Microsoft is looking for with the Kinect, innovation.


Just about all of my frustration towards the X1 is gone. I am now most likely going to be buying it. This actually makes things a lot better... Thank you.

[Juggernaut9473]

this is why you look into things thoroughly before you rage. as for me...i was always getting the X1 first

[Graycochea]

That's kind of awesome. You could yell "Hey zombies! Come at me bro!" and they'll come at you.

Dear Zonga, me sorry.

[KazuhLLL]

this is why you look into things thoroughly before you rage. as for me...i was always getting the X1 first
I was, and then the Sony conference had me questioning my decision. But after talking it through with the livecast people I was like "Wtf nwait no, Sony's not doing anything new."


That's kind of awesome. You could yell "Hey zombies! Come at me bro!" and they'll come at you.

Dear Zonga, me sorry.
That feature terrifies me.

[Juggernaut9473]

That's kind of awesome. You could yell "Hey zombies! Come at me bro!" and they'll come at you.

Dear Zonga, me sorry.

so many people are going to hate me :evil grin:

[Coolio911911]

Yea well still, I don't feel like getting fucked for some stupid little reason like trying to buy a used game or swapping one on reddit. (r/gameswap anyone?) I'll most likely always have internet and buy my own games BUT considering Halo is the only IP I care about on Xbox and 343 is so fucking mediocre with it compared to Bungie (not even saying Bungie could remake a quality game like H1/H2) then why bother? I have a PC and still a 360 (if there's no HBO GO on PS4 I still have my 360 with which a year membership costs less than the $100 price difference {And what if I get it on sale for less?!} and allows me to watch whatever I want to.) I'll probably end up with both because I'm a fucking adult with a job now, but it's completely legitimate for people to bring up these arguments against such dumb rules.

ALSO, how many of you live with a lot of roommates with different Xboxes?! I have seen one disc of Fifa get played on at least 6 xboxes and work just fine on each. Tell me how that would work with these rules? How could I trade a game with some fucking random person and be done with it? I need to have them on my limited friends list for 30 days? That's dumb as fuck. It's not about Xbox or PS, it's just about being a fairly treated consumer, most of the time things are not important until they affect you. Most likely I could buy an Xbox1 and never encounter these problems, but until they fix them then fuck that.

Also, kinect being on all the time.... I jerk it/do things I shouldn't too much and with all the easy spying people can do it's fucked up to think of them together. Hacking an xbox to see through it's kinect which you know HAS to be online because of microsoft's rules seems way too simple to me and a huge security threat, even from individuals trying to harm your reputation or life. Still haven't heard about Sony's camera thing in this sense but just saying, either way, definitely something to think about.

I rant a lot.

[Maxdoggy]

Yea well still, I don't feel like getting fucked for some stupid little reason like trying to buy a used game or swapping one on reddit. (r/gameswap anyone?) I'll most likely always have internet and buy my own games BUT considering Halo is the only IP I care about on Xbox and 343 is so fucking mediocre with it compared to Bungie (not even saying Bungie could remake a quality game like H1/H2) then why bother? I have a PC and still a 360 (if there's no HBO GO on PS4 I still have my 360 with which a year membership costs less than the $100 price difference {And what if I get it on sale for less?!} and allows me to watch whatever I want to.) I'll probably end up with both because I'm a fucking adult with a job now, but it's completely legitimate for people to bring up these arguments against such dumb rules.

ALSO, how many of you live with a lot of roommates with different Xboxes?! I have seen one disc of Fifa get played on at least 6 xboxes and work just fine on each. Tell me how that would work with these rules? How could I trade a game with some fucking random person and be done with it? I need to have them on my limited friends list for 30 days? That's dumb as fuck. It's not about Xbox or PS, it's just about being a fairly treated consumer, most of the time things are not important until they affect you. Most likely I could buy an Xbox1 and never encounter these problems, but until they fix them then fuck that.

Also, kinect being on all the time.... I jerk it/do things I shouldn't too much and with all the easy spying people can do it's fucked up to think of them together. Hacking an xbox to see through it's kinect which you know HAS to be online because of microsoft's rules seems way too simple to me and a huge security threat, even from individuals trying to harm your reputation or life. Still haven't heard about Sony's camera thing in this sense but just saying, either way, definitely something to think about.

I rant a lot.


Add your roommates to your 10 "Family Members" and they can play the games you have when you aren't playing them on their own Xbox One.

[bazongaman502]

*walking stealthy to avoid zombies*
*baby Cries*
*Zombies horde after you*
"FUCK YOU BABY! I LOVE YOU, BUT FUCK YOU!" lol

I see shit like that happening all the time lol

[Fiery Grave]

Yea well still, I don't feel like getting fucked for some stupid little reason like trying to buy a used game or swapping one on reddit. (r/gameswap anyone?) I'll most likely always have internet and buy my own games BUT considering Halo is the only IP I care about on Xbox and 343 is so fucking mediocre with it compared to Bungie (not even saying Bungie could remake a quality game like H1/H2) then why bother? I have a PC and still a 360 (if there's no HBO GO on PS4 I still have my 360 with which a year membership costs less than the $100 price difference {And what if I get it on sale for less?!} and allows me to watch whatever I want to.) I'll probably end up with both because I'm a fucking adult with a job now, but it's completely legitimate for people to bring up these arguments against such dumb rules.

ALSO, how many of you live with a lot of roommates with different Xboxes?! I have seen one disc of Fifa get played on at least 6 xboxes and work just fine on each. Tell me how that would work with these rules? How could I trade a game with some fucking random person and be done with it? I need to have them on my limited friends list for 30 days? That's dumb as fuck. It's not about Xbox or PS, it's just about being a fairly treated consumer, most of the time things are not important until they affect you. Most likely I could buy an Xbox1 and never encounter these problems, but until they fix them then fuck that.

Also, kinect being on all the time.... I jerk it/do things I shouldn't too much and with all the easy spying people can do it's fucked up to think of them together. Hacking an xbox to see through it's kinect which you know HAS to be online because of microsoft's rules seems way too simple to me and a huge security threat, even from individuals trying to harm your reputation or life. Still haven't heard about Sony's camera thing in this sense but just saying, either way, definitely something to think about.

I rant a lot.

Just saying you no longer have a friend limit anymore... well its limit will be pretty damn large you'd have ot have more than 8GB worth of friends to crash your system... and considering each probably takes like 10kb of memory and they aren't programming dumb fucks im sure you can have more than that limit

[KazuhLLL]

Just saying you no longer have a friend limit anymore... well its limit will be pretty damn large you'd have ot have more than 8GB worth of friends to crash your system... and considering each probably takes like 10kb of memory and they aren't programming dumb fucks im sure you can have more than that limit

I'm pretty sure the limit is 1000. I just hope there are ways of sorting/organizing/tagging gamertags so I don't have to scroll through hundreds of people to get to those in the T-Z gamertag range.

[Lil Nawty Lucia]

I found most of the complaints pretty minor anyhow, but the one that is the Funniest is "Spying". If you are so worried about your Kinect looking at you, cover it up, face it in the other direction. Its funny how everyone thinks it is the perfect spy tool, however Cell phones have cameras too, and as long as it has a battery in it can be turned on and tracked.

And seriously unless your a woman, why would you care if someone sees you naked. Show off live a little, trust me if they are spy on people with Kinect you are not the weirdest fucker out there.

I'll be getting the X1, there was never a doubt it my mind. Also Sony did bring something new to the table. Sony Plus a service you have to pay for to access online features. http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/archive/2013/06/10/sony-will-require-playstation-plus-membership-for-multiplayer.aspx

[Fiery Grave]

I wanna Yell "Xbox off" in games where people dont have mics in and see if people disconnect
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[MedeDust]

Fucking Politics, I just want cool stuff, X1 is cooler than PS4, so I'm getting X1.

[Maxdoggy]

*walking stealthy to avoid zombies*
*baby Cries*
*Zombies horde after you*
"FUCK YOU BABY! I LOVE YOU, BUT FUCK YOU!" lol

I see shit like that happening all the time lol

The DR3 devs have said that there is a decibel range of where that'll actually turn on. I believe one of the devs described it as being "super deliberate". I also think he said that you could turn off that feature if you live in a noisy place.

[xXReiBearXx]

since when did gaming come to this? What happened to just plug in and play lol

[Fiery Grave]

since when did gaming come to this? What happened to just plug in and play lol

As tech grows more complicated so do the games.

The first consoles only had 2 button because any more and people got confused and couldn't handle it... now we have a lot more than that dont we? do you wanna go back to 2 buttons and a d pad?

[Juggernaut9473]

As tech grows more complicated so do the games.

The first consoles only had 2 button because any more and people got confused and couldn't handle it... now we have a lot more than that dont we? do you wanna go back to 2 buttons and a d pad?

fuck that

[bazongaman502]

Here we go again....

[Zeta Crossfire]

No 2 ways about it Microsoft is screwing the consumer. But evening knowing that I love the service so much I'm willing give my rights away for their product. It's shifty. I hate myself for it, but Im doing it anyway. We can try and come up with excuses like I've been doing the past few weeks. It just comes down to we like the service and we are willing to give up our rights for it. God help me

[Fiery Grave]

No 2 ways about it Microsoft is screwing the consumer. But evening knowing that I love the service so much I'm willing give my rights away for their product. It's shifty. I hate myself for it, but Im doing it anyway. We can try and come up with excuses like I've been doing the past few weeks. It just comes down to we like the service and we are willing to give up our rights for it. God help me

Zeta how is microsoft screwing the consumer... the only people i see getting screwed is Gaestop/eb games

[Maxdoggy]

Zeta how is microsoft screwing the consumer... the only people i see getting screwed is Gaestop/eb games


Plus GameFly and Blockbuster. If MS can't work out a rental deal with Blockbuster, the Xbox One will probably be the final nail in the coffin for Blockbuster (which I love and adore - I have one 2 miles from my house and I rent games and movies there all throughout the summer).

[Al Capone111]

Plus GameFly and Blockbuster. If MS can't work out a rental deal with Blockbuster, the Xbox One will probably be the final nail in the coffin for Blockbuster (which I love and adore - I have one 2 miles from my house and I rent games and movies there all throughout the summer).

Blockbuster has already been beaten by Netflix and Hulu, and now there is Redbox. Sadly. But that is the nature of capitalism. There isn't one Blockbuster within 10 miles of me.

[KazuhLLL]

No 2 ways about it Microsoft is screwing the consumer. But evening knowing that I love the service so much I'm willing give my rights away for their product. It's shifty. I hate myself for it, but Im doing it anyway. We can try and come up with excuses like I've been doing the past few weeks. It just comes down to we like the service and we are willing to give up our rights for it. God help me

Microsoft is screwing Gamestop because Gamestop has been screwing consumers, developers, publishers, and console makers since its inception. We just get caught in the crossfire, basically.

[Fiery Grave]

Plus GameFly and Blockbuster. If MS can't work out a rental deal with Blockbuster, the Xbox One will probably be the final nail in the coffin for Blockbuster (which I love and adore - I have one 2 miles from my house and I rent games and movies there all throughout the summer).

I dont believe there are blockbusters in Canada anymore... i know not in my city at least

I can see them doing it with gamefly and making gamefly more profitable by making their rentals all digital... since it has to check the licence every day it can be just like "you have the licences for xdays" and then its gone... it would be a good thing for them instead of shipping and losing physical copies


Microsoft is screwing Gamestop because Gamestop has been screwing consumers, developers, publishers, and console makers since its inception. We just get caught in the crossfire, basically.

^^ truth