Why FC is Not Fun

[Prof Blastoise]

I would like to start out by saying good battle night FC. Unfortunately, this is going to be a little rant about why FC is no longer a fun activity, but a chore for me. VbD and I were scheduled for the last match on landfall. We waited for an hour expecting to play the final game. With the lack of BLUE members we had to play several people twice if not more. The amount of time REDD needs to wait for a game is just downright outrageous.

Now back to the main point, VbD waiting an hour to play the game. Blue had lost the second to last match and decided to quit playing, leaving VbD waiting for absolutely nothing. We don't play so we can win a map, we play to FUCKING PLAY. You should not give up a match if you have the players ready to play. even if you are missing one, you can find a replacement. It irritates VbD and myself to see people just not playing because they think they will loose. This is unacceptable, no one should wait an hour in anticipation to play a game, then be told the other team refuses to play you.

I mean this in all respect, but something needs to change. Please consider maybe squad transfers to balance the number of people, or make a rule that you can't forfeit if you have the players to play.

Discuss

[THExSPIDERMAN]

I suggest moving spider-man to BLUE. He can count as a whole squad and 1v4 or 1v6 other squads. This would improve wait times drastically.

[Yehsus]

I would like to start out by saying good battle night FC. Unfortunately, this is going to be a little rant about why FC is no longer a fun activity, but a chore for me. VbD and I were scheduled for the last match on landfall. We waited for an hour expecting to play the final game. With the lack of BLUE members we had to play several people twice if not more. The amount of time REDD needs to wait for a game is just downright outrageous.

Now back to the main point, VbD waiting an hour to play the game. Blue had lost the second to last match and decided to quit playing, leaving VbD waiting for absolutely nothing. We don't play so we can win a map, we play to FUCKING PLAY. You should not give up a match if you have the players ready to play. even if you are missing one, you can find a replacement. It irritates VbD and myself to see people just not playing because they think they will loose. This is unacceptable, no one should wait an hour in anticipation to play a game, then be told the other team refuses to play you.

I mean this in all respect, but something needs to change. Please consider maybe squad transfers to balance the number of people, or make a rule that you can't forfeit if you have the players to play.

Discuss


I can offer you a tissue box.

My role in Blue Army is small.

[Blackhawk570]

There needs to be a rule about fore-fitting games. Either that is not the honorable way of playing a game or that surrender rule needs to be put in place. There has been no decision on this and there needs to be one. The wait times are shitty and I can do is apologize to REDD. BLUE is lacking members from low morale in some squads, being poached by an ex-member of FC, and just REDD out recrutiing us. If the 2N switch happened probably things would be a little better. Honestly peacetime will hopefully solve this but as of right now we can only try to catch up to your numbers.

[Maxdoggy]

From what I was told by Kaz, the battle night ended because the amount of games set up for Landfall was too damn high (lol) and stuff like that. Idk, though.

[Anarchy]

You didn't get your last game because myth lowered the total game amount. Not because of BLUE or any of that jazz.

[Guzzie]

If you are scheduled to play a match, you should play it, especially if you are a community/army leader. You have a responsibility not only to your army, but the opposing army. Forfeiting a match (exhibition) because your army lost the map is a disservice to the flow of the community and the battle nights.
I hope this doesn't happen again. I don't appreciate waiting in a lobby for 1hr plus, only to hear that a blue squad forfeited the match, exhibition or not.

[Maxdoggy]

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[Prof Blastoise]

If you are scheduled to play a match, you should play it, especially if you are a community/army leader. You have a responsibility not only to your army, but the opposing army. Forfeiting a match (exhibition) because your army lost the map is a disservice to the flow of the community and the battle nights.
I hope this doesn't happen again. I don't appreciate waiting in a lobby for 1hr plus, only to hear that a blue squad forfeited the match, exhibition or not.

all the yes

[Andimion]

If its an exhibition match the teams are given a CHOICE. If they chose not to then they dont have to. In any case,sorry you waited an hour, as he told you Myth cut the amount of games.

[Spartanbh]

100% agree with REDD's point of view on this. I understand the morale is low in BLUE and numbers have been low, but that is absolutely no excuse to forfeit a match. I don't believe forfeiting should ever have been a thought here in FC, since we play for FUN, regardless of win or lose. Maybe I'm old school in the sense that I just play to play, and while I enjoy winning much more than losing, I respect the integrity of FC too much to ever forfeit a match. We are a community focused around fun, respect, and competition. Even if it's an exhibition game, play it, it still may turn out to be a worthwhile game.

[MDMYAY]

If you are scheduled to play a match, you should play it, especially if you are a community/army leader. You have a responsibility not only to your army, but the opposing army. Forfeiting a match (exhibition) because your army lost the map is a disservice to the flow of the community and the battle nights.
I hope this doesn't happen again. I don't appreciate waiting in a lobby for 1hr plus, only to hear that a blue squad forfeited the match, exhibition or not.

[Prof Blastoise]

100% agree with REDD's point of view on this. I understand the morale is low in BLUE and numbers have been low, but that is absolutely no excuse to forfeit a match. I don't believe forfeiting should ever have been a thought here in FC, since we play for FUN, regardless of win or lose. Maybe I'm old school in the sense that I just play to play, and while I enjoy winning much more than losing, I respect the integrity of FC too much to ever forfeit a match. We are a community focused around fun, respect, and competition. Even if it's an exhibition game, play it, it still may turn out to be a worthwhile game.
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[MDMYAY]

#ThankYouSpartanBH

[Guzzie]

100% agree with REDD's point of view on this. I understand the morale is low in BLUE and numbers have been low, but that is absolutely no excuse to forfeit a match. I don't believe forfeiting should ever have been a thought here in FC, since we play for FUN, regardless of win or lose. Maybe I'm old school in the sense that I just play to play, and while I enjoy winning much more than losing, I respect the integrity of FC too much to ever forfeit a match. We are a community focused around fun, respect, and competition. Even if it's an exhibition game, play it, it still may turn out to be a worthwhile game.
Amen.

[Coda]

#HashtagHastagHastag

There is merit on both sides here. But I'm with Guzzie/SpartanBH/Blastoise/etc

[Fuzzy]

You didn't get your last game because myth lowered the total game amount. Not because of BLUE or any of that jazz.

False they were scheduled as the last game after Myth lowered the total game amount...

[Relapsive]

The game they where scheduled to play was actually game 21 which was suppose to be the last match of the battle night so this has nothing to do with myth.

[KazuhLLL]

From what I understand, Anarchy left that match to set things up for the HC Tiebreaker. I think he said he told one of our extras to go play in his place, but that guy never joined. And then the other 3 left because they didn't have a 4th. And by the time it could've got back to us that that happened, all of BLUE HC was starting up the Tiebreaker, so I imagine that nobody was paying much attention to the many Skype chats. :P

[Anarchy]

I was getting an extra for the team so I could start up the HC match. That's not poor leadership or w/e.

That team dispersed after to my unknowing.


Just as you hate waiting, they hated playing gamebattles level teams. My answer to both in this instance is: It happens.

[Guzzie]

From what I understand, Anarchy left that match to set things up for the HC Tiebreaker. I think he said he told one of our extras to go play in his place, but that guy never joined. And then the other 3 left because they didn't have a 4th. And by the time it could've got back to us that that happened, all of BLUE HC was starting up the Tiebreaker, so I imagine that nobody was paying much attention to the many Skype chats. :P
This would be a legitimate excuse if the HC battle had indeed taken place right away. It took about 30 mins after they announced their forfeit for the HC battle to start (maybe even more). BLUE could have easily played a 15 min game.
Not only that, but he is not the only member of BlUE HC who could have set the HC battle up. There are three others who could have done it, including the Blue FM.

[Prof Blastoise]

I was getting an extra for the team so I could start up the HC match. That's not poor leadership or w/e.

That team dispersed after to my unknowing.


Just as you hate waiting, they hated playing gamebattles level teams. My answer to both in this instance is: It happens.


So because you think we are good players we should wait an hour and just not play? Logic man, logic.

[Anarchy]

This would be a legitimate excuse if the HC battle had indeed taken place right away. It took about 30 mins after they announced their forfeit for the HC battle to start (maybe even more). BLUE could have easily played a 15 min game.
Not only that, but he is not the only member of BlUE HC who could have set the HC battle up. There are three others who could have done it, including the Blue FM.
It took so long to start because the REDD HC was no ready.

And yes someone else could have set it up, but they would have still had to wait for me.


So because you think we are good players we should wait an hour and just not play? Logic man, logic.

No, but we can't force those who don't want to get their asses kicked by you to stay for an exhibition match.

[Guzzie]

It took so long to start because the REDD HC was no ready.

And yes someone else could have set it up, but they would have still had to wait for me.



No, but we can't force those who don't want to get their asses kicked by you to stay for an exhibition match.
Dude, your team was ready, you left, and then it wasn't ready. This isn't about a "gamebattles" level team" and people not wanting to play us. You were/are clearly the leader of your squad, you left the party, leadership fell apart and BLUE suffered a forfeit (regardless of it being an exhibition match or not).

---update---

It seems every time VbD says something, you bring up GameBattles. We don't play GameBattles nor any competitive league for that matter. All we do is play matchmaking, just like you and many others here. Drop it.

[KazuhLLL]

Dude, your team was ready, you left, and then it wasn't ready. This isn't about a "gamebattles" level team" and people not wanting to play us. You were/are clearly the leader of your squad, you left the party, leadership fell apart and BLUE suffered a forfeit (regardless of it being an exhibition match or not).

As much as it sucks that you guys had to wait an hour for nothing, it is not Anarchy's (or anyone else's) fault. If you look, essentially the rotation was:

G20 RW Victor vs Legacy 1
G21 VbD vs Nemesis 2
G27 REDD HC vs BLUE HC

Presumably, Landfall G27 should've been set up as soon as G21 was set up. With Anarchy basically slotted twice in a row for games, he did what anyone else in BLUE or REDD HC would've done and he found someone to sub in for him. It's easy with hindsight to say that Anarchy should have just played since there was enough time between the two games, but there's literally no possible way he or anyone else could've known that the HC Battle was going to be delayed as much as it was.

As far as the sub not showing up, by the time it was brought to our attention, Landfall was already guaranteed a REDD win. Like Anarchy said, we can't (or at least won't) force anyone to play an exhibition game if they don't want to. Is that fair to you, given you had already waited an hour? No, it's not. But it would've have been just as unfair to (attempt to) force anyone to play a game that didn't matter, and that was basically a guaranteed loss.

It was just a shitty situation with no win-win ending. It happens. But for what it's worth I'm sorry it had to happen to you.

[Prof Blastoise]

It took so long to start because the REDD HC was no ready.

And yes someone else could have set it up, but they would have still had to wait for me.



No, but we can't force those who don't want to get their asses kicked by you to stay for an exhibition match.
So you are saying all teams should have the ability to forfeit because of skill level? Lets all just forfeit if we think we will lose. Every game we will assume one squad is better than the other and make them forfeit. Because according to you, that is the best possible solution.

[inm3sights]

I would like to start out by saying good battle night FC. Unfortunately, this is going to be a little rant about why FC is no longer a fun activity, but a chore for me. VbD and I were scheduled for the last match on landfall. We waited for an hour expecting to play the final game. With the lack of BLUE members we had to play several people twice if not more. The amount of time REDD needs to wait for a game is just downright outrageous.

Now back to the main point, VbD waiting an hour to play the game. Blue had lost the second to last match and decided to quit playing, leaving VbD waiting for absolutely nothing. We don't play so we can win a map, we play to FUCKING PLAY. You should not give up a match if you have the players ready to play. even if you are missing one, you can find a replacement. It irritates VbD and myself to see people just not playing because they think they will loose. This is unacceptable, no one should wait an hour in anticipation to play a game, then be told the other team refuses to play you.

I mean this in all respect, but something needs to change. Please consider maybe squad transfers to balance the number of people, or make a rule that you can't forfeit if you have the players to play.

Discuss

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[Nicholas Sapien]

Lose*

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[bl4yze]

Lose*

Fantastic contribution

[RaZ Vader]

So wait times are always an issue. When I had an Xbox I did help a few weeks. More people setting up games=Less wait time if your team is ready.

Myth & I did discuss an idea that would change how the wars and battles feel. (Its up to him now to say something in the WC if not already)

But that's what needs to be done if not already. More people setting up games *waves at HC*

[Graycochea]

I'm not gonna lie, no one wants to fight VbD. NOBODY. I don't want to be mean, but VbD is so good, that no one wants to fight them. I'm not kidding when I say that about 50-75% of the reason I switched to REDD was so I wouldn't have to fight them anymore. At the end of the Reach Wars, I had such low morale from fighting VbD, that I almost didn't return to FC for H4. That's how bad it got. Whichever team I was on was fighting VbD every battlenight, sometimes 2-3 times. I didn't even need to wait for the game to start before my morale plummeted. All I needed was to see Guzzie's name and I'd check out and resign myself to a loss by at least 200 pts. After getting pounded into the ground so hard, so often, I couldn't take it anymore. I got really inactive and didn't want to stay. Others did the same thing except they flat out left. They were too disheartened by VbD's Badassery(trying to keep this light). Eventually I just came to the conclusion that I'd switch sides and never have to fight them again. That's my personal experience and just thought some insight into why people would forfeit a game would help the VbD members.

Possible solutions:

1. VbD disbands and is dispersed evenly among REDD.
2. VbD switches to BLUE and lets them Tank for a little while.
3. VbD disbands and is dispersed evenly among both REDD and BLUE.
4. BLUE creates a god squad that's on VbD's level.

Other than that, I dunno. I'm just trying to tell it to VbD straight. They wonder why people forfeit at the drop of their name, it's because people know that when VbD is involved so is inevitable defeat. Yes, you guys are saying that we play for the fun, but it's not fun being devastated time and again. People can take getting killed a few times as long as they can get a few kills in themselves, but when you see the kind of leader boards VbD puts up, you start to understand. Guzzie once went 52-1 against a team of 4. 4 people had 12-15 minutes(don't remember how long we play for) to kill Guzzie and only one person got him. That's cool for the one or two odd people, but that's basically an entire team on REDD. Now imagine playing against that team for a whole War. It's not surprising that BLUE has low numbers and lower morale by the end of each War.

TL;DR VbD is so good at Halo, they make Master Chief look bad.

--G

[MedeDust]

Or blue can just embrace these opportunities to improve their game.

[Blackhawk570]

VbD 2 I will verse anyday :D

[Zeta Crossfire]

No one on REDWATCH forfeits if we play Legacy ir another good blue squad. Even when we know we are going to lose we play our best because we know how FC functions. If everyone forfeited their matches then FC would be a pretty shitty place. One of our squads tonight played Legacy, legion of dawn 1 and 2, and a two different blue mixes that had high skill players. They lost all 5 matches but did they forfeit knowing they were going to lose each time? of course not, and I'd expect nothing less from every other squad in FC.

[Anarchy]

So you are saying all teams should have the ability to forfeit because of skill level? Lets all just forfeit if we think we will lose. Every game we will assume one squad is better than the other and make them forfeit. Because according to you, that is the best possible solution.

What I'm saying is I cannot force people to play games they don't want to, especially exhibition games.

The reason people don't want to play you is that you are GB level players, don't care how much you actually play on GB.

[KazuhLLL]

Or blue can just embrace these opportunities to improve their game.
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No one on REDWATCH forfeits if we play Legacy ir another good blue squad. Even when we know we are going to lose we play our best because we know how FC functions. If everyone forfeited their matches then FC would be a pretty shitty place. One of our squads tonight played Legacy, legion of dawn 1 and 2, and a two different blue mixes that had high skill players. They lost all 5 matches but did they forfeit knowing they were going to lose each time? of course not, and I'd expect nothing less from every other squad in FC.
Legacy luvs REDWATCH. <3

[Zeta Crossfire]

Legacy luvs REDWATCH. <3

Only way to get better is to play people better than you. <3

[silversleek]

So you are saying all teams should have the ability to forfeit because of skill level? Lets all just forfeit if we think we will lose. Every game we will assume one squad is better than the other and make them forfeit. Because according to you, that is the best possible solution.

ANY INSULT IS COMPLETELY UNINTENTIONAL AND SHOULD BE IGNORED, THIS POST IS BASED ENTIRELY OFF OPINION AND MAY BE FACTUALLY INACCURATE. WILL HAVE TO REVIEW TOMORROW FOR THAT

to be brutally honest, i`ve predicted every single battlenight accurately based on the rotation with the formula that vbd and vanquish are almost garunteed wins for redd, and bellator and animus are pretty much garunteed losses for us. with the other squads kind of a toss up, which i`m currentely not in the right state of mind to explain. nobody ever wants to play you guys, i know people who have said they hate being here because of you who have debated leaving simply because it`s not even fun for them anymore. I don`t personally even know how it`s fun for you guys either, you`re so far ahead of the majority of the people here.

ALSO EVERYTHING REVAN SAID

[THExSPIDERMAN]

I'm not gonna lie, no one wants to fight VbD. NOBODY. I don't want to be mean, but VbD is so good, that no one wants to fight them. I'm not kidding when I say that about 50-75% of the reason I switched to REDD was so I wouldn't have to fight them anymore. At the end of the Reach Wars, I had such low morale from fighting VbD, that I almost didn't return to FC for H4. That's how bad it got. Whichever team I was on was fighting VbD every battlenight, sometimes 2-3 times. I didn't even need to wait for the game to start before my morale plummeted. All I needed was to see Guzzie's name and I'd check out and resign myself to a loss by at least 200 pts. After getting pounded into the ground so hard, so often, I couldn't take it anymore. I got really inactive and didn't want to stay. Others did the same thing except they flat out left. They were too disheartened by VbD's Badassery(trying to keep this light). Eventually I just came to the conclusion that I'd switch sides and never have to fight them again. That's my personal experience and just thought some insight into why people would forfeit a game would help the VbD members.

Possible solutions:

1. VbD disbands and is dispersed evenly among REDD.
2. VbD switches to BLUE and lets them Tank for a little while.
3. VbD disbands and is dispersed evenly among both REDD and BLUE.
4. BLUE creates a god squad that's on VbD's level.

Other than that, I dunno. I'm just trying to tell it to VbD straight. They wonder why people forfeit at the drop of their name, it's because people know that when VbD is involved so is inevitable defeat. Yes, you guys are saying that we play for the fun, but it's not fun being devastated time and again. People can take getting killed a few times as long as they can get a few kills in themselves, but when you see the kind of leader boards VbD puts up, you start to understand. Guzzie once went 52-1 against a team of 4. 4 people had 12-15 minutes(don't remember how long we play for) to kill Guzzie and only one person got him. That's cool for the one or two odd people, but that's basically an entire team on REDD. Now imagine playing against that team for a whole War. It's not surprising that BLUE has low numbers and lower morale by the end of each War.

TL;DR VbD is so good at Halo, they make Master Chief look bad.

--G

I like playing VbD.

[bl4yze]

I want to fight VbD. Actually thanks to me playing with them constantly I've improved tenfold since I joined FC.

[silversleek]

I want to fight VbD. Actually thanks to me playing with them constantly I've improved tenfold since I joined FC.

Ill admit i like playing against vbd for the challenge, but they have no place here when they`re so far past everyone. WHen people are debating to just leave for the rest of the battlenight when their squads slotted in with vbd there`s a bloody problem there. and i`ve had numerous people tell me that over my career, hell, i even debated leaving fc at some points because it`s more of a job then a bloody fun time. I only stay because you guys sre pretty much like a second family to me

[ThatAwkardGuy]

I love to play VbD(or at least against select members mixed with other units). I, usually, lose but I can at least compete with them now. Just take the time to see what they are doing right and just try to implement one thing into your game. No one likes quitters.

[Guzzie]

Ill admit i like playing against vbd for the challenge, but they have no place here when they`re so far past everyone. WHen people are debating to just leave for the rest of the battlenight when their squads slotted in with vbd there`s a bloody problem there. and i`ve had numerous people tell me that over my career, hell, i even debated leaving fc at some points because it`s more of a job then a bloody fun time.
You are acting like every game you play, you play against us. In fact, I don't even think I even played against you today. Per battle night, I would say I play about 4-5 games (6 tops); tonight alone, there were 48 games. Many squads do not go up against us at all. In fact, I haven't played against some BLUEs in quite sometime (due to rotation). I could see your point if every game, one after another, was against us, trust me, I would be bored and disillusioned also, but to suggest that we a)disband, b)switch armies c)get split between armies or d) tell us we have no place here, is completely unwarranted and I feel discouraged to hear people say that.

[Prof Blastoise]

What I'm saying is I cannot force people to play games they don't want to, especially exhibition games.

The reason people don't want to play you is that you are GB level players, don't care how much you actually play on GB.
And some people in BLUE are "GB level players" as well. Everyone can't be the same skill level. I really only play halo on Sundays, its not like I am practicing to completely destroy blue, I play for fun.

[silversleek]

You are acting like every game you play, you play against us. In fact, I don't even think I even played against you today. Per battle night, I would say I play about 4-5 games (6 tops); tonight alone, there were 48 games. Many squads do not go up against us at all. In fact, I haven't played against some BLUEs in quite sometime (due to rotation). I could see your point if every game, one after another, was against us, trust me, I would be bored and disillusioned also, but to suggest that we a)disband, b)switch armies c)get split between armies or d) tell us we have no place here, is completely unwarranted and I feel discouraged to hear people say that.
i doubt you played me tonight as i`ve been at a friends house since wednesday being pretty much perpetually drunk and they don`t own halo 4 or live access. of course not every one of my past games has been against you, that would be redicoulous. but i will say whether i play with cyberdyne members, though we disbanded, bellator members, or a mix with members from any other squads, there`s audible groans when your names come up as the team we have to play against. FC as a whole has become way too competitive for my liking, and following that, nobody likes playing you in battlenights. I know plenty of people who like playing you normally, but just as many if not more others who despise any battlenight game where they`re paired against a squad that, to be honest, they know they have no hope of beating. I agree with them, i`m not the biggest fan of splitting up people, and i was avidly against things that did just that like firestorm, but NOBODY LIKES BEING PAIRED WITH YOU ON BATTLENIGHTS. there`s maybe like 8 people i can name in blue that i talk to that say they like playing vbd, including me (once or twice at most though) and they`re almost all in different squads pretty much all the morale issues in blue that i`ve been told about has directly come from you guys and vanquish. and no, btw, i won`t name any people one way or the other.

tbh, i`d rather play you guys more in the week, when the `stakes`didn`t seem as high, most, if not all(i haven`t met all of you) of you seem like pretty cool guys.

[bl4yze]

Ill admit i like playing against vbd for the challenge, but they have no place here when they`re so far past everyone. WHen people are debating to just leave for the rest of the battlenight when their squads slotted in with vbd there`s a bloody problem there. and i`ve had numerous people tell me that over my career, hell, i even debated leaving fc at some points because it`s more of a job then a bloody fun time. I only stay because you guys sre pretty much like a second family to me

So what you're saying, if you're good you aren't allowed in FC? How about people grow up and just play? There will always be people better than you, you might as well not play multiplayer games if playing someone above your skill level upsets you.

[McL00V]

It is ridiculous to imply VbD doesn't belong because they are too good. Do we tell people to leave because they are too bad? No. It's the same thing. Of course it sucks getting demolished occasionally when you play them, but it isn't worth leaving the community and giving up all of the potential amazing games against people more of your skill level. When i hear that my team will be playing against them i feel a mix of "oh shit here we go again" and "alright lets fucking go time to play my best". If they weren't around, battlenights would be much less fun for me (no disrespect to Vanquish or any REDD units). Maybe i am biased because Legacy has been fortunate enough to pull out a few victories against VbD, but to the squads who never beat them I would say just do your best and keep your head up. There are plenty of other opportunities to have great games on Sundays.

[bl4yze]

It is ridiculous to imply VbD doesn't belong because they are too good. Do we tell people to leave because they are too bad? No. It's the same thing. Of course it sucks getting demolished occasionally when you play them, but it isn't worth leaving the community and giving up all of the potential amazing games against people more of your skill level. When i hear that my team will be playing against them i feel a mix of "oh shit here we go again" and "alright lets fucking go time to play my best". If they weren't around, battlenights would be much less fun for me (no disrespect to Vanquish or any REDD units). Maybe i am biased because Legacy has been fortunate enough to pull out a few victories against VbD, but to the squads who never beat them I would say just do your best and keep your head up. There are plenty of other opportunities to have great games on Sundays.

And likewise when we match Legacy or Sparta I know I'm going to have to pull my chair up and play my best.

[silversleek]

So what you're saying, if you're good you aren't allowed in FC? How about people grow up and just play? There will always be people better than you, you might as well not play multiplayer games if playing someone above your skill level upsets you.

what i`m saying is that a sytem like this only works if everyone is about the same skill level. If you win every game by large margins, it`s really better not to be here. And yes to the person somewhere above me, i honestly think that for FC if you`re bad and are constantly losing by large margins, you probably shouldn`t be here either. Of course, the rule will never be added, but unless you`re generally in the same skill level neither team will have fun. I`ve been on both sides, where i decimate everyone by triple their scores and they complain, and when we get decimated by triple our score and complain. neither side of it is any fun whatsoever. I don`t care if someone any better than me, i`ve played gamebattles before, i play ranked starcraft. But being a silver league player and going against someone in platinum league is predictable and boring for everyone involved.

it`s not a matter of being better or worse, it`s a matter of being completely out of league with everyone else. I don`t see why several people on both armies play anymore, other than to talk with friends, which they could do while playing matchmaking. they`re either so far ahead or behind the average that it would make more sense for them to either go to a less competitive group to practice, or a more competitive group so they themselves actually had a challenge. The only explination i can see for those two extremes are playing with friends they only see on battlenights and ego boosts. call my cynical in this regard i guess

[bl4yze]

what i`m saying is that a sytem like this only works if everyone is about the same skill level. If you win every game by large margins, it`s really better not to be here. And yes to the person somewhere above me, i honestly think that for FC if you`re bad and are constantly losing by large margins, you probably shouldn`t be here either. Of course, the rule will never be added, but unless you`re generally in the same skill level neither team will have fun. I`ve been on both sides, where i decimate everyone by triple their scores and they complain, and when we get decimated by triple our score and complain. neither side of it is any fun whatsoever. I don`t care if someone any better than me, i`ve played gamebattles before, i play ranked starcraft. But being a silver league player and going against someone in platinum league is predictable and boring for everyone involved.

it`s not a matter of being better or worse, it`s a matter of being completely out of league with everyone else. I don`t see why several people on both armies play anymore, other than to talk with friends, which they could do while playing matchmaking. they`re either so far ahead or behind the average that it would make more sense for them to either go to a less competitive group to practice, or a more competitive group so they themselves actually had a challenge. The only explination i can see for those two extremes are playing with friends they only see on battlenights and ego boosts. call my cynical in this regard i guess

I won't call you cynical. Elitist, maybe.

VbD are not undefeated, nor do have they won every single game by massive margins. I think it's childish for people to whine and moan about playing against VbD. It's not as if it's hours of pain, it's 15 minutes.

Instead of saying "VbD should be disbanded, or split up etc", how about people just focus on practice and improving their game, rather than going in with an attitude of "We can take on most teams, but if we play VbD we're screwed, so there's no point in trying to improve".

I've improved a shitload since joining FC just from making the effort. Asking UnfoldedFreedom, HighLght and Guzzie what I'm doing wrong and what I need to do to improve. Sure some people just "play for fun", and I do to, but I have fun fine tuning my game and improving myself and my squad. It's not as if people need to put in 12 hour days on Halo to get better, I sure as hell don't, but I can at least compete with VbD in a game situation after the time I've spent actually wanting to improve.

Also I can assure you they don't play for "Ego boosts"

[KazuhLLL]

i doubt you played me tonight as i`ve been at a friends house since wednesday being pretty much perpetually drunk and they don`t own halo 4 or live access. of course not every one of my past games has been against you, that would be redicoulous. but i will say whether i play with cyberdyne members, though we disbanded, bellator members, or a mix with members from any other squads, there`s audible groans when your names come up as the team we have to play against. FC as a whole has become way too competitive for my liking, and following that, nobody likes playing you in battlenights. I know plenty of people who like playing you normally, but just as many if not more others who despise any battlenight game where they`re paired against a squad that, to be honest, they know they have no hope of beating. I agree with them, i`m not the biggest fan of splitting up people, and i was avidly against things that did just that like firestorm, but NOBODY LIKES BEING PAIRED WITH YOU ON BATTLENIGHTS. there`s maybe like 8 people i can name in blue that i talk to that say they like playing vbd, including me (once or twice at most though) and they`re almost all in different squads pretty much all the morale issues in blue that i`ve been told about has directly come from you guys and vanquish. and no, btw, i won`t name any people one way or the other.

tbh, i`d rather play you guys more in the week, when the `stakes`didn`t seem as high, most, if not all(i haven`t met all of you) of you seem like pretty cool guys.


Go home Silver, you're drunk.


It is ridiculous to imply VbD doesn't belong because they are too good. Do we tell people to leave because they are too bad? No. It's the same thing. Of course it sucks getting demolished occasionally when you play them, but it isn't worth leaving the community and giving up all of the potential amazing games against people more of your skill level. When i hear that my team will be playing against them i feel a mix of "oh shit here we go again" and "alright lets fucking go time to play my best". If they weren't around, battlenights would be much less fun for me (no disrespect to Vanquish or any REDD units). Maybe i am biased because Legacy has been fortunate enough to pull out a few victories against VbD, but to the squads who never beat them I would say just do your best and keep your head up. There are plenty of other opportunities to have great games on Sundays.
Legacy has a secret weapon. ;)

[UnfoldedFreedom]

Go home Silver, you're drunk.


Legacy has a secret weapon. ;)

you wish

[Ominous Solace]

If I may, I would like to note that I have only gone up against VbD twice since I joined in May. Yes both times my teams lost, but I still enjoy the challenge, no matter how mad or angry I get with the game. I cannot blame them for doing what they do. VbD has shown me what can happen if you take the time and work on your skill and growing it. All I can say is that some members of Blue don't even want to try anymore due to the fact of be decimated by Vbd, my own squad has lost it morale with everything going on. We only had four people show up tonight and the others basically stayed off Halo or didn't show up until they thought the battles were over (Some had reasons to not be there). My point is that if you always go up against a winning team from the other side, you can always have a chance at winning. I always go into a battle saying "Alright guys, lets bring home this win." Just for it not to happen. I will let you know since I did join in May I have yet had one win under my belt in FC, but does that stop me from showing up? No. It only keeps me going to think I could pull a win out of the hat, but other people aren't like that. Others would rather play other game such as CoD, Borderlands, etc, for that I don't blame them. Why go from having a fun time gaming to hating every second of it for like three hours? My point is, REDD, Vanquish and VbD there are some of us in BLUE that just don't want to keep going on with losing every Sunday. I know that the squads that usually win for BLUE are Nemesis, Legacy and Legion of Dawn, they enjoy the challenge of fighting teams such as yourself, while the other teams like Animus and Bellator lose no matter how hard they try or how much they practice, sometimes it just doesn't happen. I hope I didn't offend anyone here or say anything negative about any Army. This is all I have to say on the matter.

[EagleOne]

"Well I won't back down, no I won't back down.
You could stand me up at the gates of hell,
But I won't back down.

Gonna stand my ground, won't be turned around.
And I'll keep this world from draggin' me down,
Gonna stand my ground, and I won't back down.

Hey baby, there ain't no easy way out.
Hey I will stand my ground,
And I won't back down.

Well I know what's right, I got just one life,
In a world that keeps on pushin' me around,
But I'll stand my ground and I won't back down.

Hey baby there ain't no easy way out.
Hey I will stand my ground,
And I won't back down."

Courtesy of Tom Petty. ;)

P.S. I'll take on Violent by Design anytime, and enjoy the game for what it is. ^_^

[Silko]

Ok so after reading all of this and reading about how people don't ever want to play vbd all I can say is that is a load of bullshit. Back when I was in blue every squad minus one in my company wanted to play Vbd. Why? Because they wanted to give then their first L. So to say no one wants to play them is a load of crap. As for the whole landfall thing that was a piss poor choice by the leader of the squad that I hope he learned from it and it won't happen again. As for a rule about surrendering after making the other team sitting in a lobby for so long we had some rules back in reach to prevent these type of situtations. It may be time to bring those back as it would seem that blue is having a harder time keeping up with red and thier recruiting.

[GAMExSOLID]

So you are saying all teams should have the ability to forfeit because of skill level? Lets all just forfeit if we think we will lose. Every game we will assume one squad is better than the other and make them forfeit. Because according to you, that is the best possible solution.

Reading this was comical. Zeta Crossfire made the point about REDWATCH always being paired up with Legacy which in my opinion are pretty good and their weakest player always has something "come up" so they place some kid who has a 3.0 k/d ratio on their squad. I can't make this up guys. With the exception of this battlenight (due to being away) I've played Legacy over and over again since May 19th. YES I COMPLAIN. It get's old trying to keep my Fire Team up in spirits and sometimes my own. I understand BLUE is low in numbers so we can't do much to change that. I hope during peacetime we can help recruit a good amount of members for both sides so we can get more variety. Even when I see us play Legacy over and over... We drive on... VbD is good and even suggesting disbanding a unit due to "winning" is quiete humorous. I consider myself a fairly good player and can almost go toe to toe with everyone in FC given the opportunity. However when you have a team that has met the cohesion that VbD and Legacy have hit on that squad is unstoppable. One day... We will Beat Legacy. You want to know how? Putting players with the will to win on a team and keep those few together so they can one day know their teammates next move without ever having to coach them on the battlefield. That is what my goal is in REDWATCH. To beat the giant that has bullied us for a long while now. One battle we will prevail and it won't be because we got lucky. It will be because we earned it by working for it. You will not see one member in my Fire Team giving you any less than 100% of what they have for the 15 minute match we play you. We will not quit, and We will not ease up. The next time you fight Violent By Design stop thinking about that beating... Think about that time you no scoped Guzzie Styles in the mouth and save that shit! That is fun <3

[Andimion]

Solid made me smile.

Lets put an end to this discussion before it turns to verbal blows.

Yes, at times it becomes almost overwhelming to be out on the chopping block for VbD. I won't lie, with my skill level now I feel like a dead weight being put in with players like Kaz and Coag against VbD. And while I'm sure they've noticed I don't play like I used to (trying to remedy that) they don't hold it against me. It's about fun. I used to cross my fingers thy I'd get to play VbD and beat their asses. Back in the day what they first joined and had their original line up they were supposed to be a solution for me and my god squad. The laughs huh? Lol

I'm going to be working in toe with Purple and the Blue squad leaders over the next little while. I apologize to VbD that you had to wait so long and then it be for not. I remember those times.. We will work on those.. Keep you chin up. ;)

Everyone keep to your playing and improve. Enough of this pointless rabble.

I look forward to playing you in the future when I've improved to my AimBot Andi tittle.

[Graycochea]

Never mind.

[Yehsus]

Reading this was comical. Zeta Crossfire made the point about REDWATCH always being paired up with Legacy which in my opinion are pretty good and their weakest player always has something "come up" so they place some kid who has a 3.0 k/d ratio on their squad. I can't make this up guys. With the exception of this battlenight (due to being away) I've played Legacy over and over again since May 19th. YES I COMPLAIN. It get's old trying to keep my Fire Team up in spirits and sometimes my own. I understand BLUE is low in numbers so we can't do much to change that. I hope during peacetime we can help recruit a good amount of members for both sides so we can get more variety. Even when I see us play Legacy over and over... We drive on... VbD is good and even suggesting disbanding a unit due to "winning" is quiete humorous. I consider myself a fairly good player and can almost go toe to toe with everyone in FC given the opportunity. However when you have a team that has met the cohesion that VbD and Legacy have hit on that squad is unstoppable. One day... We will Beat Legacy. You want to know how? Putting players with the will to win on a team and keep those few together so they can one day know their teammates next move without ever having to coach them on the battlefield. That is what my goal is in REDWATCH. To beat the giant that has bullied us for a long while now. One battle we will prevail and it won't be because we got lucky. It will be because we earned it by working for it. You will not see one member in my Fire Team giving you any less than 100% of what they have for the 15 minute match we play you. We will not quit, and We will not ease up. The next time you fight Violent By Design stop thinking about that beating... Think about that time you no scoped Guzzie Styles in the mouth and save that shit! That is fun <3

Nobody in Legacy has a 3.0 K/D, and never have we rotated guys out to stack against Redwatch. Gunny does an excellent job balancing out our fireteams so we're never too top heavy. One of the reasons I love facing Redwatch is their good attitude and organization; you guys are getting better and better every Sunday. But you're early comments are a little out there.

[Relapsive]

I never seen some less throughout post in my life in this thread. You guys really need to pay attention to the issue.

They are upset about having to wait an hour! Before they eventually hear that the other team forfeit. So Anarchy you already knew you had another match because you responded to the Skype chat from me asking if you still where in charge of blue mix 1. So you knew you had another match.

You could have either played in it, which would have not made a big deal anyways because these last couple of weeks its always been sometime in between the end of the battle-night and the HC battles.

If you really didn't have faith that the other 3 high command members that are higher ranks then you currently couldn't set up a lobby of four, I am speechless if that's the case but I never knew pressing the X button was so difficult.

So I don't know how this match wasn't set up and I had no responses at all from anyone in blue to my skype chats from me asking basically what the hell is going on. Making the excuse that none of us seen the skype chat is one that is piss poor. We have been using the damn chat all day, so I cant comprehend of why all of a sudden you guys didn't look at the chat especially cause around that time nothing was going on.

I'm not posting this because I am purposely being an asshole but I know whats its like to sit in a god damn lobby for an hour and then to hear the other team forfeits, that's absolutely ridiculous. Especially if we want to keep telling everyone our community is built on fun, and respect because that shows neither of the two.

The whole thing with splitting vbd and dispersing because they are so good. Doesn't even make sense, these last couple of weeks REDD has won 1 map and BLUE has won 1 map. This is how its been for quite sometime. So to even suggest that, it would make the war unbalance in SKILL, the war is currently unbalanced in the amount of members on one side compared to the other. But i already planned a meeting with the highers from blue to speak to about so you guys don't need to worry about it. Just realize we will be talking.

The last topic of my wall of text i have honestly no idea why VBD's skill level was even brought up, their skill level shouldn't matter in regards to them playing a match or not all they want to do is have fun and show up to the battle night. And to see all the attitude and negative atmosphere in this topic is pretty ridiculous considering they did not do anything wrong.

I am not talking about everyone either because there are a few who say at-least they are sorry for the wait, while others seem like for lack better words "They Don't Give a shit".

[Blackhawk570]

Legacy 2 probably could have versed VbD last night if they didn't want to play them.

[KillerGUNNY132]

Are we seriously persecuting a squad for being too good?

Fucking seriously?

Come the fuck on, this is pathetic.

[Maxdoggy]

Are we seriously persecuting a squad for being too good?

Fucking seriously?

Come the fuck on, this is pathetic.

^This.


Also, LLLLEEEEGGGGGAAAACCYYYY!!

:P

[Platinum]

My time in BLUE (http://fcwars.net/forums/entry.php?918-When-I-see-Guzzie-join-the-lobby)

This thread confuses my retarded ass. People seriously need to stop complaining about how good they are. I see it as a way to better without killing your K-D. But we always have to find something to hate and bitch about, and whats the easiest thing to complain about? The best. Its easier to hate those who are better then everyone else because its a common hate. No disrespect to anyone, but some of these "solutions" are just ignorant.

"Disbanding a team of friends because they're too good?" Really? This has got be a joke. It seems that the better team is being punished for being good which is completely outrageous. A community that removes/disbands teams for being "too good" is not a community I would want to be with. Maybe if people use their extra time to play halo rather then complain on a forum, it wouldn't be an issue. I say again, I mean no disrespect towards anyone.

Also, if a team didn't want to play their last game (regardless if the map was won or lost), then that team shouldn't have played at all. It would have saved people a lot of trouble. I had 4 members online for my team, one lagged out in our last game (found a sub) and another had a firecall in the midpoint of the game. But my guys still played. The other team waited on us for a good 20 mins until I got a sub, I wasn't going to just "forfeit" the game. They had the patience to wait, and I played down a man (even though it was my last game). It would have been disrespectful if I didn't play them.

Again, no disrespect and sorry if my post comes off as cluttered.

[Andimion]

EVERYONE CALM DOWN! I got this. VBD you guy suck. :P

[Silko]

Well this thread is just so damn productive. Mods?

[KazuhLLL]

So I don't know how this match wasn't set up and I had no responses at all from anyone in blue to my skype chats from me asking basically what the hell is going on. Making the excuse that none of us seen the skype chat is one that is piss poor. We have been using the damn chat all day, so I cant comprehend of why all of a sudden you guys didn't look at the chat especially cause around that time nothing was going on.

I'm not posting this because I am purposely being an asshole but I know whats its like to sit in a god damn lobby for an hour and then to hear the other team forfeits, that's absolutely ridiculous. Especially if we want to keep telling everyone our community is built on fun, and respect because that shows neither of the two.

The last topic of my wall of text i have honestly no idea why VBD's skill level was even brought up, their skill level shouldn't matter in regards to them playing a match or not all they want to do is have fun and show up to the battle night. And to see all the attitude and negative atmosphere in this topic is pretty ridiculous considering they did not do anything wrong.
It was just a shitty situation with no win-win ending. It happens.

Yes, we're about fun and respect, but fun is a two-way street. If one group of people has fun at the expense of others', that isn't the kind of fun we're all about. Some people and some squads don't mind, and even enjoy, the kind of challenge that VbD brings to the table. But we're not talking about a Nemesis team or a Lost Remnants team or any actually squad that purposely forfeited. We're talking about a BLUE Mix team that didn't forfeit so much as just fall apart, which is an inherent danger of any Mix team.



Zeta Crossfire made the point about REDWATCH always being paired up with Legacy which in my opinion are pretty good and their weakest player always has something "come up" so they place some kid who has a 3.0 k/d ratio on their squad. I can't make this up guys.
I beg to differ. We don't even pull the old "switcheroo" against VbD. No offense to your team, but if we pulled that against anyone it would be them, not you.

Literally last night, we pulled a Game 1 of VbD vs Legacy 1 (my team) on the first map. Not a single game had been played yet so we could have easily switched out Andimion and Capone for Legacy 2's Yehsus and Coagulation, and as a result have a hilariously stacked team to play against VbD (and likely win). But Legacy doesn't do that shit, because we refuse to stack one team at the expense of another..

[Relapsive]

I really dont see how that answers any of the questions I have that I want answered, the only thing im seeing is. "Its a mix it happens a lot that they just leave". But let me remind you this "Mix" is lead by the Brig Gen and Major of your army its not like you just log off before the battle-night is over especially when they know they have another game ready for them to join.

[Blackhawk570]

I really dont see how that answers any of the questions I have that I want answered, the only thing im seeing is. "Its a mix it happens a lot that they just leave". But let me remind you this "Mix" is lead by the Brig Gen and Major of your army its not like you just log off before the battle-night is over especially when they know they have another game ready for them to join.

So what are you saying is that no blue members joined game 21 and basically we had VbD wait for hour for nothing? If so that is definitely our faults because we had a bunch of other squads on at that time, and especially because this game was not an exhibition game at the time it was being setup. We definitely had the squads on that could have verse VbD, but since it is towards the end of the night probably only the good squads or a stacked group of blues would have been willing to play VbD at that time.

This shouldn't happen and hopefully it won't next time.

[VerbotenDonkey]

FC as a whole has become way too competitive for my liking,

Indeed. But that is something you can help remedy if you want! :)

[inm3sights]

This shouldn't even be discussed in open conversation. Blue shouldn't forfeit anymore and just call it a day.

[Blackhawk570]

It was just bad communication/organization on blues part.

[Deathhawk]

This thread has stopped being productive. I'm proud of you guys for not starting a real flame war though in 8 pages. (I just read them all)

I'm going to lock it, because no solution will come out of it (If there was a good solution that worked for everybody, it would have happened in all the years this has been an issue).

Let's move on.
The best thing I can tell you to do is to recruit good community members for your army. Improve the numbers so that everyone will have a better experience.