court room- staff officers.

[silversleek]

It's my belief that the court room should be open to staff officers down to major and perhaps captain as well.

Considering the higher rank held by these individuals, and the fact that there's a good number of them that may be future high command members, i believe they should have access to the courtroom to be able to see how respect matters are taken care of for when they become high command, and allow them to give their opinion on matters.

Especially for someone of my position, i shouldn't have to just tell someone who comes to me with an issue "Go to someone even higher" and forget about it. I am the XO of the Battallion leadership. Ominous is the CO. Neither of us can do anything about any issues short of "Send it to someone in high command" or bringing it to them ourselves for them to bring to the courtroom. It puts yet more responsiblities on high command and can lead to issues not being reported properly. Both company and battallion leaderships are perfectely suited to the small task of making a post.

[Silko]

Flag officers use to be able to view it. It was removed for reasons that I don't agree with that I won't post to help prevent any drama. I agree that flag officers should see the court room as they are a step down from HC. The flag officers often run half/the entire army so why not let them put input on punishments for members they help lead

[Nicholas Sapien]

Agreed we'll discuss it in WC

[silversleek]

Flag officers use to be able to view it.

aye i remember that, back in the reach days when i was major.

[Fernando Naranj]

I agree with sleek.

We should have more opinions!

[Jam Cliché]

Maybe Battalion leaders. When I was a Major, I lacked the experience to know how to deal out punishments fairly.

Colonel and LTC are integral in BLUE's leadership, practically High Command anyway, so I would let them in for sure. Anyone below that, still seems too fresh. Oftentimes fresher than Squad Leaders, at least in our army's case.

And from what I understand, REDD is reducing its Flag Officer count anyway.

[Zeta Crossfire]

Soon REDD will be down to only 1 flag officer a COL, no captains through LT COL.


I'm for it, but that would mean more blue opinions in the court room then REDD ones which makes me hesitant to vote for it.

[Jam Cliché]

See? I knew I wasn't just seeing things.

Like I said, totally on board with COL and LTC, but that should be the threshold.

[Nicholas Sapien]

Soon REDD will be down to only 1 flag officer a COL, no captains through LT COL.


I'm for it, but that would mean more blue opinions in the court room then REDD ones which makes me hesitant to vote for it.

Field more flag officers?
*cough legacy cough*

[silversleek]

Soon REDD will be down to only 1 flag officer a COL, no captains through LT COL.


I'm for it, but that would mean more blue opinions in the court room then REDD ones which makes me hesitant to vote for it.

In the case of justice and the punishment of offenses, opinions should not matter, nor should it matter whether blue or redd has more voices. If the evidence is there, it's there. If it is not, it's not.

[Jam Cliché]

If I am not mistaken, Precursors and Forerunners and Web Admins all have access to the Court Room as well, and BLUE lacks all three of those.

So I wouldn't say that there would be more BLUE opinions.

The difference is that I trust our Precursors and Forerunners and Web Admins, and maybe our Colonels too. Even Silversleek at times.

[silversleek]

Even Silversleek at times.

>.>

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[Nicholas Sapien]

In the case of justice and the punishment of offenses, opinions should not matter, nor should it matter whether blue or redd has more voices. If the evidence is there, it's there. If it is not, it's not.

thats what I go off of

[Anarchy]

LTC and Colonel should, but generally there are a larger portion of majors, with less experience and knowledge.

[VerbotenDonkey]

I still vote that we set up a separate Department specifically for Court Room issues. Because from my experience, sometimes verdicts just float around and people forget about them, especially the Army that the infracted soldier is in (not saying now, but its happened in the past). People specific to this Department would obviously be trusted members of the community that would decide on infractions and things like that. Because now, nobody holds power to make those calls, its generally just a whoever-talks-the-most-gets-the-say kind of thing, or whatever most the people seem to be agreeing with. There's no definite verdicts or anything because nobody really has a final say.

And yes I am okay with Flag Officers seeing it, I never agreed that Officers shouldn't be able to see it in the first place.

[THExSPIDERMAN]

I think Drill Instructors should be able to see it too.

[Zeta Crossfire]

I'm now leaning no on this.


There are 5 HC for each army, that is something that isn't changing any time soon. Because their are 5 of each this leads to an equal amount for each side when talking about Court room affairs. Granted yes Myth and Spartanbh are in REDD Currently but those people go between armies frequently and should not be counted because after this war who knows where they would go.

These 5 HC spots are not in flux, will not be changing, so there is always 5 people to count on for each army.

When it comes to punishment, even if it is very clear people are more often to defend people from their army, it shouldn't be that way, but everyone knows it to be true. If the voices in the court room get unbalanced I believe this will hurt the process more then help.


I think 10 people is a good number for the procedures, the roles as you described jam are always in flux and there's little we can do about that besides bar them from having a voice in the CR.

[Jam Cliché]

I'm now leaning no on this.


There are 5 HC for each army, that is something that isn't changing any time soon. Because their are 5 of each this leads to an equal amount for each side when talking about Court room affairs. Granted yes Myth and Spartanbh are in REDD Currently but those people go between armies frequently and should not be counted because after this war who knows where they would go.

These 5 HC spots are not in flux, will not be changing, so there is always 5 people to count on for each army.

When it comes to punishment, even if it is very clear people are more often to defend people from their army, it shouldn't be that way, but everyone knows it to be true. If the voices in the court room get unbalanced I believe this will hurt the process more then help.


I think 10 people is a good number for the procedures, the roles as you described jam are always in flux and there's little we can do about that besides bar them from having a voice in the CR.

Phoenix says he is drafting up some recommendations to the Accords, maybe we can discuss Court Room access and procedures therein?

[Silko]

Soon REDD will be down to only 1 flag officer a COL, no captains through LT COL.


I'm for it, but that would mean more blue opinions in the court room then REDD ones which makes me hesitant to vote for it.

Which was pretty much the reason why flag officers where removed. At one point BLUE had almost twice the amount of flag officers then REDD did