Suggestion: Team Field Marshall elections

[silversleek]

So, I've seen a lot of complaints running around about conflict between HC's, and It got me thinking, how can the process be smoothened? Well, what if, when a candidate ran, he had to have a partner that he ran with, and if elected, they'd Both be FM. For example, I ran with silko, We won, and i'd be fm of blue, while silko would be fm of red.

Ideally, this means that the two partners would have similar platforms and ideas of how things should be run, which will allow people to get more done without squabbling over things they don't want to. The way it is right now, where you can elect two totally different people, leaves things very susceptible to clashes where people argue for days, with the HC venting to their armies about how the other side is only trying to screw them over, and breeding hate and distrust.

[CAW0139]

Metty yelled at me to comment so........I like the idea? but Ill like just about anything that sounds new and possibly make BN more fun

[WolfPack23]

Seems like a legit idea, now you just gotta sell it to the masses.

[JEWmanji]

I think this is a pretty interesting idea and at least worth a try... Why has it taken this long to come up with something like this?

[Silko]

I ran with silko

lol this plan is already doomed from the start.

[AbnormallyLilith]

Im still not a big fan of this. i see how it works but i feel like it alienates half of the community. A majority of a election can come entirely from one army after all.

[silversleek]

I think this is a pretty interesting idea and at least worth a try... Why has it taken this long to come up with something like this?

Everything's obvious in hindsight. Sometimes ideas just need the right spark, like the tiebreaker list.


lol this plan is already doomed from the start.

I was going to say me and fuzzy, but I feel like more people might know/remember you than fuzzy, considering his inactivity.

i'm not actually planning on running -right now- anyways.


Im still not a big fan of this. i see how it works but i feel like it alienates half of the community. A majority of a election can come entirely from one army after all.

Poor turnouts suck, but The system shouldn't be built with the assumption that nobody from one army is going to show up to voice their opinions, and if they don't, that's on them. Besides, The way our current elections work, where we can multi-vote to select the two we find most appropriate has the same flaw with low turnout rates. This on the other hand, would lend itself more to solidarity between the armies rather than trying to force two random people into working well with each other.

Worst case scenario from that, and only one army votes, The idea is the betterment of the entire community anyways, I find it really unlikely that a team will get in that's intentionally trying to give one army and advantage, BUT, war council can step in to remove them, The generals would have to be selected from the armies independent of the FM campaign, and the war directors will still retain their authoritative positions.

[Dark Remalf]

I like it, the question is, will WC vote it out?

[Legendary Nova]

The only thing I think would be negative from this is if someone wants to run for FM but can't find anyone else to run with as a team because either everyone else is already paired up or doesn't want to run.

Other than that, it's a solid suggestion.

[silversleek]

The only thing I think would be negative from this is if someone wants to run for FM but can't find anyone else to run with as a team because either everyone else is already paired up or doesn't want to run.

Other than that, it's a solid suggestion.

In that case, they might be able to find someone else who's not <exactly> on the same page as them, but willing to compromise on a few positions on controversial issues decided pre-registration. But you're correct. They could also endorse a group with a similar platform to them, maybe beg around for a potential general position or something?

[Anarchy]

I like this idea a lot. Fuck it. It'll get rid of the stagnation. For better or worse we'll have a set path to the future rather than convoluted mediocrity.

Might find a way to make the WD selection independent so someone is holding the others somewhat accountable and is at least a little independent.

[Mythonian]

Sounds interesting. It's definitely worth seeing how it'd work in practice. I'd be up for using it after this war.


I like it, the question is, will WC vote it out?

Eh, actually, he brings up a very valid point. Don't think it'd work out, so we shouldn't rock the vote boat. Instead, we can vote on our favorite dead memes and have them as FMs. That'd work out much better IMO.

Such as "The Line" and "Total Ties for MVP" as the FMs. Would be a glorious war.

It's 3 am and I have no idea what my mind was thinking when I wrote the above.

[silversleek]

#TotalTies2016

[Houdini]

This couldn't be worse than the current system. I'm all for trying it.


I would like to nominate W3z4b1 and Mos Deaf for the FM team.

[L0rd Kanti]

Only real way to see it work, is to try it out. At the end of its trial run, the community can then decide what they prefer.

[UnfoldedFreedom]

This is a interesting idea, it may make WC more efficient but not as effective.

My main concern is if we have two people with the same views, we may not give us the best solutions for situations.

For example george lucas, in the original trilogy he had people with different opinions and views as him and because of that we had a classic trilogy. fastforward to the prequels and he has a bunch of yes men and well you know what happend next.

All im saying is a wider range of perspective is good when deciding what is best for the community.

[silversleek]

This is a interesting idea, it may make WC more efficient but not as effective.

My main concern is if we have two people with the same views, we may not give us the best solutions for situations.

For example george lucas, in the original trilogy he had people with different opinions and views as him and because of that we had a classic trilogy. fastforward to the prequels and he has a bunch of yes men and well you know what happend next.

All im saying is a wider range of perspective is good when deciding what is best for the community.
advisement can be handled by high com and officers, and War directors are still a thing.

[Solus Exsequor]

why not have an FM run with their Gen much like a President and VP? Allows for more transparency and will let people choose who will take over in the case of an FMs absence

[silversleek]

The idea is to remove conflicts between the two armies, or at least, lessen them. Running as FM/general would probably INCREASE tensions, as both sides will be further locked into their respective sides, seeing the other side as the enemy, etc.

[Barry Soap]

So instead of hating one imcompetent FM, We can hate two? oh yes im all about this

[Houdini]

All im saying is a wider range of perspective is good when deciding what is best for the community.

It seems like we have a wider range of perspectives currently, and I'm not sure I would say the state of the community currently is very good.

[VerbotenDonkey]

Personally, I'm against community voted FMs as I think each Army should be voting for their own FM, but I think its an interesting idea to say the least. I think it brings in some negative politics of needing to run with someone electable in order to win, or the two people both being from the same Army yet one of them will be running the opposite Army sort of thing (people are going to want to be represented by someone from their Army, not the other one).

[Fuzzy]

Such as "The Line" and "Total Ties for MVP" as the FMs. Would be a glorious war.

Myth you are on a roll today.

[Drth spartan]

I like it, the question is, will WC vote it out?

So when WC discusses Suggestions like this Do they Have the Person who posted the suggestion in the Discussion with them?

[silversleek]

So when WC discusses Suggestions like this Do they Have the Person who posted the suggestion in the Discussion with them?

Generally not, no. Though, that can be a good suggestion on it's own.

[Nicholas Sapien]

So instead of hating one imcompetent FM, We can hate two? oh yes im all about this

lol

[silversleek]

So instead of hating one imcompetent FM, We can hate two? oh yes im all about this

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[Relapsive]

Personally, I'm against community voted FMs as I think each Army should be voting for their own FM, but I think its an interesting idea to say the least. I think it brings in some negative politics of needing to run with someone electable in order to win, or the two people both being from the same Army yet one of them will be running the opposite Army sort of thing (people are going to want to be represented by someone from their Army, not the other one).

That also brings up a point of how the voting system would even work. Because not only do you have to find two people that would like to run together but you would also have people jumping ranks in order to get this to work. For instance a High com member of Blue might not see eye to eye with any other Redd High com so in order to make that pair he might select someone from their officer core. Not saying its a bad thing but just might bring bad blood between certain members that worked hard for the position that wants it.

Overall on the idea I don't think its a bad one. I'm just trying to play devils advocate.

[W3z4b1]

I can see the merge of the elections being a little touchy, and finding a partner from the other army seems unlikely to happen consistently, but I think it'd ante up comradery for HC decisions. Definitely worth a shot.


I would like to nominate W3z4b1 and Mos Deaf for the FM team.

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[Jam Cliché]

That also brings up a point of how the voting system would even work. Because not only do you have to find two people that would like to run together but you would also have people jumping ranks in order to get this to work. For instance a High com member of Blue might not see eye to eye with any other Redd High com so in order to make that pair he might select someone from their officer core. Not saying its a bad thing but just might bring bad blood between certain members that worked hard for the position that wants it.

Overall on the idea I don't think its a bad one. I'm just trying to play devils advocate.

It's definitely not a decision to make lightly if we're considering precedent, but if we decide to make it a one-time "Experiment" with no guarantees that it would become the norm, it takes away some of the potential drawback.

With the community sized as it currently is, I don't see any harm whatsoever in restricting anyone in the community from running, which would mean this "teams" bit could be doable. But even if it sets no precedent, we'd have to be sure that everyone in the community is prepared to accept the result for the duration of a war.

[Anarchy]

Should bring this to a vote