Squads

[bazongaman502]

Im suggesting we bring these back.. however im still supporting in new people in different areas like how we have it now. Heres my Reasons as to why i think Squads should come back:

Squads should come back because it makes things a little easier for Officers. Its really hard for Recruits that earn a promotion going from worrying mainly about themselfs to suddenly worrying about 25+ people. I havent been a Officer really since the Beta War. I got appointed as an Officer and handed 26 members (now 27). I understand that having a CO and XO are to help lower the stress however its still a big jump. Going from nothing to a massive amount is hard for most people and without the proper preparings (lesser amounts of members) is a hard step. And if givin to the wrong people (not saying me), it will bring stress and may cause Officers to say "Fuck it, im done".

Im suggesting as well (so we can help spread for our members to play with other people) that we scramble the squads after a certin amount of time. For example, if we decided upon mixing the squads up every 2 weeks, each person will play with every member durring the war at some point. It will also allow everyone to spread their skills upon everyone. Not just 1 powerful group like how we were upset about.

Anyone agree?

[Yehsus]

Fine with bringing back squads, completely disagree with everything else. The stress with becoming an officer? Please...

Trying working 2 jobs while going to school fulltime, yet somehow trying each month to scrape up enough money to pay rent/utilities/car payments/insurance.

That is way more stressful.

[Anarchy]

Army structure is up to your FM/Battalion CO now, if you'd re-watch the video/voice recording raz made.

Edit: I was a bit off. He just said both FMs were working on a smaller unit system. Still, same idea.

[AftershocK]

Maybe reduce from the 25+ to maybe 12-15?

[Anarchy]

Maybe reduce from the 25+ to maybe 12-15?

Conveniently to the exact size squads were? LOL

Edit: I do like how blue is handling the desire for smaller units though. It's the only compromise yet that hasn't been one sided, rofl.

[Mythonian]

If you have a unit with 25+ members, it is probably in preparation for the creation of a new unit. If I remember correctly, the unit size was 16-24, or at least that was what was mostly talked about. For reasons of organization and logistics, I don't believe the army leadership would make units much larger.

Also, if I remember correctly, Ghosthammer had a plan for splitting units in half to form two groups for organization reasons, and those smaller groups would be led by lower officers. If this plan works out, than that would solve most of the issues raised in the OP, since the first leadership position someone receives would be to lead one of these half-units/squads/fireteams, and then eventually move up.

For the concept of mixing all units frequently: that will likely not happen. Some specific units may get together and trade members every so often, but full arbitrary mixing of units would be logistically difficult and an organizational nightmare.

[Silko]

Fine with bringing back squads, completely disagree with everything else. The stress with becoming an officer? Please...

Trying working 2 jobs while going to school fulltime, yet somehow trying each month to scrape up enough money to pay rent/utilities/car payments/insurance.

That is way more stressful.

I loled at that part too.

[UNLUCKY NUM13ER]

We haven't even given this new Platoon system a chance. I say let's try it before changing anything around. If you're worried about getting trying to keep too many people organized, well thats what your XO is for, and lower officer ranks/higher enlisted. They're the guys that are supposed to be helping you out. Don't shoulder the burden alone, work with them.

[bazongaman502]

Fine with bringing back squads, completely disagree with everything else. The stress with becoming an officer? Please...

Trying working 2 jobs while going to school fulltime, yet somehow trying each month to scrape up enough money to pay rent/utilities/car payments/insurance.

That is way more stressful.

I understand.. im talking about stress on something that really shouldnt need stress... this is about fun, its now turned into a job for Officers and the higher ranks.

@Myth, im sure he is, however giving me 3 weeks to contact people iv never played with before is pretty hard. I finally just got 3 people to show up to our first practice. And they only showed up for Officer Training. But thats not the point, im just saying that going from not leading anyone for 2 and a half wars to suddenly having 25+ people dropped on me is pretty insane... let alone i have a job and school to worry about as well. I faild this last quarter fyi.

@Silko, QFT, you dont know much except http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFZrzg62Zj0... could careless about your opinion

@Anarchy, i know they are, however the war starts on the 1st, and my platoon is nowhere near ready and im sure im not the only one.

@AfterShock, just like Anarchy said, thats kinda like how squads were. However beta war and 2nd war, squads were limited to 12 members (i believe)

@UNLUCKY, i know what the jobs of an XO are, however he is struggling at this as well... he sent all these guys Friend Requests about a month ago, and i think he said still about Half have yet to accept it.

[Anarchy]

I understand.. im talking about stress on something that really shouldnt need stress... this is about fun, its now turned into a job for Officers and the higher ranks.

@Myth, im sure he is, however giving me 3 weeks to contact people iv never played with before is pretty hard. I finally just got 3 people to show up to our first practice. And they only showed up for Officer Training. But thats not the point, im just saying that going from not leading anyone for 2 and a half wars to suddenly having 25+ people dropped on me is pretty insane... let alone i have a job and school to worry about as well. I faild this last quarter fyi.

@Silko, QFT, you dont know much except http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFZrzg62Zj0... could careless about your opinion

@Anarchy, i know they are, however the war starts on the 1st, and my platoon is nowhere near ready and im sure im not the only one.

@AfterShock, just like Anarchy said, thats kinda like how squads were. However beta war and 2nd war, squads were limited to 12 members (i believe)

@UNLUCKY, i know what the jobs of an XO are, however he is struggling at this as well... he sent all these guys Friend Requests about a month ago, and i think he said still about Half have yet to accept it.

If you're unable to perform the duties required of a platoon CO, maybe you should hand the job off to someone who has the time to do it. Not everything officers do is fun. That's why we're officers, we do the dirty work to keep things running that regular members don't want to do.

There are a multitude of reasons as to why people won't be as dedicated as they once were. Unit size is not a huge part of that.

[bazongaman502]

If you're unable to perform the duties required of a platoon CO, maybe you should hand the job off to someone who has the time to do it. Not everything officers do is fun. That's why we're officers, we do the dirty work to keep things running that regular members don't want to do.

There are a multitude of reasons as to why people won't be as dedicated as they once were. Unit size is not a huge part of that.

Anarchy, i think your not understanding the point... what im saying is about the future Officers... i can do this, i have once before... but you werent here for that. The point is about having someone that has never been an Officer and gets trained into it, but gets hit by a bomb shell of 25+ people... im talking about having a gradual increase, not a heart beat monitor of a jump

[Anarchy]

Anarchy, i think your not understanding the point... what im saying is about the future Officers... i can do this, i have once before... but you werent here for that. The point is about having someone that has never been an Officer and gets trained into it, but gets hit by a bomb shell of 25+ people... im talking about having a gradual increase, not a heart beat monitor of a jump

That's why we have NCO and WO ranks.

[bazongaman502]

That's why we have NCO and WO ranks.

your still not getting the point... but oh well, nobody is... fuck this idea

[Anarchy]

your still not getting the point... but oh well, nobody is... fuck this idea

You want to split platoons/companys up to make the job of running them easier. I understand that much. I'd recommend talking to ghost for that. It's more of an army issue than a community issue.

[GhostHammer]

You want to split platoons/companys up to make the job of running them easier. I understand that much. I'd recommend talking to ghost for that. It's more of an army issue than a community issue.

Just saw this. Anarchy is right, each army will be slightly different. Zonga I'll get with Forest and finalize how we're going to do this.

[MedeDust]

You don't know what stress is. BTW this idea to bring squads back is pointless you already have to set up fire teams/squads for battle nights to play its not like you're gonna have 25 vs. 25. Just saying.

[Silko]

I got your point Bazonga. And What I read into it was that running a platoon may be too much for you to handle. If that bothers you then oh well. Its really not that hard to run a Platoon. Hell I ran half of blue army with ease. Guys in this thread have/are ran/running whole armies.

As for organization of the army like previous post have stated it is up to the army on how they want to organize their stuff. I suggest you talk with Ghost if you want to change your platoon structure. :)

[Gargoyle]

My arguement to everything previously looked at (not just this thread, but most threads recently) is to keep the "wait-and-see" mindset.

I don't have a clue exactly how this system will work out on battle nights, and we shouldnt decide on anything til we know for a fact if it works or not.