BCS National Championship

[Al Capone111]

Before I go any further, to any and all University of Florida, Florida State University, and University of Miami fans out there, this is for you...
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For ten years I have lived in southern Florida and have had to take shit from you.

Anyways, on to the main point of this post. Here:
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The Notre Dame Fighting Irish are #1 in the BCS Rankings (along with all the other polls) and will be playing either Alabama or Georgia for the National Championship in January.

Can we get a V-bookie event created for this (after the SEC Championship game and the teams are finalized)?

And also discuss the game itself and the season of both (or all three teams) mentioned. Who do you think will win and who do you want to win?

[Sicarioano]

I think, and hope it'll be Georgia. I fucking ND, Bama, Gators, and Sooners. I was hoping Florida State would have won. But I'll tell you Texas A&M will find themselves in a BCS championship in a year or 2. Oh and Johnny Football has the heisman in the bag.

[VerbotenDonkey]

>Is Undefeated.
>.99 win avg.

[Deaf]

I like the bulldogs, but I highly doubt they beat the Crimson Tide. When Alabama plays their best, they are close to invincible. So I think Bama wins the championship with a 10 point victory or so over the Bulldogs, and then beat the irish with ease. I just wish we had a playoff system, because I think the two best teams in the country are actually the undefeated Buckeyes and Oregon, with Bama at #3.

[Sicarioano]

Buckeyes are on a penalty for illegal shit, it expires this year so they'll be back next year. And Oregon got beat by Stanford..lawl. And I'm from Texas and like the Aggies, and they fucked Bama's shit up. I mean offenses win games, defenses win championships...and their defense couldn't handle A&M's offense. They get tired and week so I think they can easily be beatin. I hate ND and Bama, so I hope Georgia goes all the way.

[Deaf]

They are being penalized, but it doesn't stop them from being possibly the best overall team. And Oregon lost to Stanford in overtime, but Notre Dame did too but was given the game by the refs. Johnny Football is the best player in college football and deserves the heisman, but A&M isn't as good as Stanford overall as a team. That's why I think oregon might be better. Georgia is very good when they're on. But no national champion has ever lost a game 35-7. You also have to consider the only other ranked team UGA played was Florida, who they beat by 4 after Florida has 5 turnovers and 14 penalties.

[Silko]

Go Notre Dame! Fuck the SEC

[Al Capone111]

Bama has had the most padded list i have seen. Bama is only a 7 point favorite against ND, 7 point favorite is nothing. And I believe Georgia is 3.

Donkey, the BCS ranking system is weird. It is the only time i have seen a team that is undefeated ranked below a team with or 2 loses.

And the Heisman is the most biased award ever. It's a "all around trophy" but 99% of the time a offensive player (mostly QB, RB, or WR) get it. Manti out of ND should get it. NOt only for his on field performance, but off field character.

[Deaf]

Nah, Manti Te'o is a great linebacker, but he's not as good as UGA's Jarvis Jones. And we cannot base the heisman off of off the field character. If we did that, then Clemson's Daniel Rodriguez would definitely take the award. Or Marcus Lattimore. But the heisman should go to the most outstanding athlete in the country. This year, that's Johnny Manziel. A few years ago, it should have been Ndamukong Suh. The fact is, linemen, defensive players, and kickers do not have the stats and highlights of offensive players so they have to be excellent to be deserving. Suh was that excellent. Te'o is very good and will have a prolific NFL career, but he is not the most outstanding player in college football.

[Al Capone111]

Let us go through and look at this past season overall for the Irish:
Here are the pre-season rankings: Only top 15 here, and I will be using the AP Top 25 polls.
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Here is the Notre Dame season, game by game:
Week 1: Notre Dame 50 - Navy 10 (In Ireland)
A gimme game, maybe, but it is a long standing tradition that the Irish play one of the armed services teams every year (Army/Navy/Air-Force)

Week 2: (22) Notre Dame 20 - Purdue 17 (In South Bend)
Another rivalry game. Notre Dame should have done better.

Week 3: (20) Notre Dame 20 - (10) Michigan State 3 (At MSU)
Irish first victory over a ranked team. A team ranked higher than ND.

Week 4: (11) Notre Dame 13 - (18) Michigan 6 (In South Bend)
Second victory over a ranked team. And a big rivalry win for the Irish.

Week 5: Bye week

Week 6: (9) Notre Dame 41 - Miami (FL) 3 (Chicago)
A complete slaughter. The first time the Irish truly showed how dominate they can be both on offense and defense.

Week 7: (7) Notre Dame 20 - (17) Stanford (South Bend)
A overtime win. A wrong call in ND's favor, perhaps. But if it was the other way around, nobody else would be complaining except the Irish nation. Either way after this the Irish have beaten 3 top 25 teams and are 6-0.

Week 8: (5) Notre Dame 17 - BYU 14 (South Bend)
The Irish went into this one a little over confident and were almost upset in this one. But still pulled out the win.

Week 9: (5) Notre Dame 30 - (8) Oklahoma 13 (In Oklahoma)
One of the few game the Irish were predicted to lose. But the Irish came in and played the game their way. It should also be noted this was the first time this season that a team scored a rushing touchdown against the Irish.

Week 10: (3) Notre Dame 29 - Pittsburgh 26 (South Bend)
A triple overtime win that showed either the Irish's luck or a simple case of divine intervention.

Week 11: (4) Notre Dame 21 - Boston College 6 (Boston)
A big rivalry game. The Irish were predicted to win big, but sadly didn't deliver on a huge win. But a win is a win.

Week 12: (3) Notre Dame 38 - Wake Forest 0 (South Bend)
This was senior day for the Irish. Their last home game. And yes a gimme and stat boosting game. There was nothing that Wake could do to stop the Irish.

Week 13: (1) Notre Dame 22 - USC 13 (USC)
The Irish are #1 for the first time in ages. During the preseason USC was #1 and the Irish were unranked. How ironic that the Irish were #1 and USC unranked during this game.



So the Irish have beaten 4 ranked teams, 2 of which were top 10. Their schedule wasn't exactly a padded one.

[King Kyuubi]

Those wins over MSU and Mich are not that good anymore since State blew and Mich didnt live to hype

[Sicarioano]

ND sucks dick, they play no real competition. They almost lost to a non ranked team. Because they're independent school they get to choose who they want to play, who usually aren't that good. No matter who they play in the National Championship they'll get their shit rocked, especially if it's Bama. Heisman, no doubt goes to Johnny Football. And it's embarrassing and funny that Bama got beat by a Big 12 team.

[Al Capone111]

ND sucks dick, they play no real competition.

No real competition? Who has Bama played? Florida Atlantic? That must have been a hard game for Bama.

The whole SEC is a FUCKING JOKE. They pad there schedule's with teams that win maybe two games a year, and act like they are hot shit.

The Irish's opponents this season: 7 with a winning record, 3 with a losing record, and 2 that broke even(6-6)

Just because a team is 'unranked' doesn't automatically mean they are a shitty team.

[LyricsMode]

No real competition? Who has Bama played? Florida Atlantic? That must have been a hard game for Bama.

The whole SEC is a FUCKING JOKE. They pad there schedule's with teams that win maybe two games a year, and act like they are hot shit.

The Irish's opponents this season: 7 with a winning record, 3 with a losing record, and 2 that broke even(6-6)

Just because a team is 'unranked' doesn't automatically mean they are a shitty team.

Exactly. I'm from Indiana, and this may sound biased (Go Irish!) because it is. But we did have a pretty tough fucking schedule, doesn't matter if a teams unranked.

[Al Capone111]

Exactly. I'm from Indiana, and this may sound biased (Go Irish!) because it is. But we did have a pretty tough fucking schedule, doesn't matter if a teams unranked.

Born and raised in the shadow of the golden dome. Sadly, I live in Florida now

[Lol its James]

I don't even care how much they won by, they are undefeated, and that's good in my book for my college team

[Sicarioano]

I never said I liked the SEC, I fucking it. I like A&M because they're the underdog coming into the SEC from the Big 12. I'm a big fan of the Big 12, but right now that whole conference is in a shit storm. I went to the game where Baylor beat Kansas State (I live in that town lol) and it was fucking crazy. I personally think Ohio State should be in that National Championship. I hate ND because they're so fucking over rated, seriously though...not every single one of your games needs to be on television.....

[Al Capone111]

I hate ND because they're so fucking over rated

How are they overrated? Explain.
They have:
-11 national championships (13 depending on how you look at the 1938 and 1953 seasons) This is second only to Bama. Though the NCAA recognizes 13, this is all do to different eras and ranking style's over the years.
-Over a 125 year period, they have had only 13 losing seasons.
-48 players in the college football hall of fame
-7 different Heisman winners, more than any other
And many more records.

So tell me again how are they overrated?


Ohio State should be in the NCG, but to bad they fucked up.

[Sicarioano]

Everyone rides their dick, if they had a straight losing season for 9 years in a row they're games would still be on t.v., they're to overrated.

[Deaf]

Notre Dame should be ranked #1 at the moment, because they are the only eligible team to be undefeated. That said, the media does overhype them a bit and they have been overrated in previous years. Yes, yes, they have all those accolades, but I noticed you didn't mention the fact that Notre Dame hasn't won a championship in most of our lifetimes. The last time they won the championship was in 1988, back when the champion didn't even have to play a top team to win it. They've had 1 heisman winner since 1964. Notre Dame is also 2-10 in its last 12 bowl appearances. Come on, if any team but Notre Dame had fallen so far, they wouldn't always get the benefit of the doubt like they did in 2005, when they went to the Fiesta Bowl despite having 3 losses and were crushed by Ohio State and in 2007 when they got destroyed by LSU in the Sugar Bowl. Be proud of your past, but eventually you have to move on and try to be great again. Notre Dame deserves their ranking because they are undefeated, but there is no way they defeat the SEC champion.

[Sicarioano]

Notre Dame should be ranked #1 at the moment, because they are the only eligible team to be undefeated. That said, the media does overhype them a bit and they have been overrated in previous years. Yes, yes, they have all those accolades, but I noticed you didn't mention the fact that Notre Dame hasn't won a championship in most of our lifetimes. The last time they won the championship was in 1988, back when the champion didn't even have to play a top team to win it. They've had 1 heisman winner since 1964. Notre Dame is also 2-10 in its last 12 bowl appearances. Come on, if any team but Notre Dame had fallen so far, they wouldn't always get the benefit of the doubt like they did in 2005, when they went to the Fiesta Bowl despite having 3 losses and were crushed by Ohio State and in 2007 when they got destroyed by LSU in the Sugar Bowl. Be proud of your past, but eventually you have to move on and try to be great again. Notre Dame deserves their ranking because they are undefeated, but there is no way they defeat the SEC champion.

This guy explained what I did not feel like typing out, they had their prime...so people need to get off their dicks. Yes they are #1, but will they keep it?..I doubt it. Thank you sire for this amazing paragraph.

[Al Capone111]

You do realize that was also before the bullshit BCS ranking system right? BCS is the only time I have ever witness a 11-1 team be ranked higher than a 12-0 team.

You seem to think that someone who likes a team, supports their team, or enjoys watching them when they are at the top or the bottom is "riding their dicks". Actually that is a true fan. (I'm a Tampa Bay Bucs fan, shitty team i know, but I support them). I know the last ten+ years ND has been shit for the most part. I truly despise Charlie Weis and what he did at ND. Not only as a coach to the team, but how he treated the community.

But you can't argue that they are 12-0, and will be playing the SEC Champion. And win or lose, I'll still wear a ND jersey the next day to classes. Because I won't allow haters like YOU to dictate whether or not I should show constant support for my team.

As for the Irish staying Independent? I hope they never join a conference. Be it the Big East, SEC, ACC, etc. Because when in a conference a team can only play 5(?) out of conference games a year. And teams will play schools that are FCS teams. FSU played Savannah State, who the fuck are they?

"Be proud of your past, but eventually you have to move on and try to be great again." That is what they are trying to do, but there are so many haters that are never satisfied. Notre Dame could have a season where they play Bama, Georgia, UF, Oregon, Kansas State, and LSU, win all those and go to the NCG and you people still would make excuses as to why the Irish don't deserve it.

[Deaf]

To be fair, even though he agreed with me, I wouldn't go so far as to say people are "riding their dicks." Notre Dame is a good football team, and deserve their ranking, but I just don't think dominating in the 50s and 60s is something to really brag about. Did I ever say they didn't deserve to be there? I said very clearly that they did (I believe any undefeated team deserves a shot, winning every week is all you can do), but gave examples in recent years when a 3 loss Irish team and a 2 loss Irish team got into a BCS bowl over arguably more deserving teams and were crushed by the opposition. That is what people mean when they say overrated. Notre Dame often gets the benefit of the doubt because of their history and massive fan base. As for Bama or UGA beating them, that's just my opinion. They are both excellent teams and crush the majority of their opponents. Notre Dame has struggled at times this season.

[Al Capone111]

To bad bowl games aren't always chosen by merit or "which team deserves". They are chosen by what will sell and make a profit. And guess what, people will pay big bucks to watch the Irish win or to watch them lose. There was a article on it on ESPN a few weeks ago.

[LyricsMode]

Like my grandfather and ESPN reporters tend to say "You either hate or love Notre Dame. There's really no middle ground." And that's very, very true. Also, I will support the Irish. One other thing, The Irish do deserve to be here and they will make profit.

[Al Capone111]

Love them or hate them, nobody can deny the fact that they have one of the best histories in college football.

[Deaf]

I certainly didn't deny their history. The only programs that equal them are Michigan, Harvard, Yale, and Alabama, and I would say Notre Dame probably beats them all except Bama, and that one's only close because of Bear Bryant, best college coach ever. But their history was never up for debate. The question was if they deserved to be in the championship (I say yes), if they will win (I say no), and if they tend to be overrated even when they're not undefeated (which I say yes). Bowls are definitely based on money, no doubt about that. That's why I think the SEC champ would have gotten in even if Oregon or Kansas State had remained undefeated. The reason Notre Dame gets so much fan service is because of their history. However, if it were based on recent accomplishments (past 30 years), I don't think a 9-3 Notre Dame deserved a BCS bowl over an undefeated Boise State. And I'm actually pretty neutral toward Notre Dame Lyrics. I like to see them do well, but I never actively root for or against them.

[Sicarioano]

I wouldn't say the "best" history in college football. All schools have great histories and amazing stories, but do I care and does everybody else? Hell no, and when I say riding their dicks I mean news people and NBC. I don't care about their fans, I just hate how some think they're the god team of NCAA Football. And I support my team also. I'm a huge UT fan, but they fucking suck this season and the past couple partially due to bad coach, but hey whatevs. I just don't like them, but no need to make a big deal of it.

[Deaf]

And I definitely think Notre Dame should remain an independent. I'd rather watch the Irish play USC or Michigan over watching Clemson maul the terrible ACC week in and week out. I do wish Notre Dame would schedule Oregon, LSU, Florida State, Bama, or another powerhouse. That would make a great game. Talk about money! I couldn't fathom how much Notre Dame-Bama tickets would cost. We'll probably get a glimpse of that this year.

[Al Capone111]

History: ND has beaten Bama 5 out of 6 times.

When ND went 11-0 and Oregon and KSU lost, tickets for the NCG tripled on resale. If you bought the tickets at the beginning of the year for $500, you can sell them for $1500+, and that's the nosebleed sections. It's crazy.

I never said the single best history, I said ONE OF the best.