Choosing MVP

Hey everybody, in case you didn't know, our Statbook now has a Player Stats page! (Navigate over to the Player Stats tab near the bottom of the Google Doc if it hasn't already done so for you!) Myth, with the help of some of the other savvy members of the community, put together a script to called stats directly from 343's database, so no more manual entry! All we have to do is enter the Game IDs, which takes very little time at all, but even that has been meticulously upkept by Legendary Nova and Mythonian both.

At the top left of the Player Stats page, you can enter up to four Gamertags of FC members to see their Battle Night statistics laid out.

Now that this feature is nearly entirely autonomous, we can start thinking about doing the Top 10s again! But we need your help. While most of the Top 10 leaderboards will be made up of raw numbers from the Player Stats page, the MVP award needs to encompass all areas of player acuity and dedication to FC Wars. So cast your vote! What are the five most important stats from the player stats page when determining player skill?

EDIT: Also don't forget! A poll about Battle Night event days is open to votes! I don't want this topic to overshadow another fantastic community poll, go vote!

(Kills+assists)/death, damage dealt/death, or total damage dealt are pretty good.

I'd personally steer clear of "Total" stats, since that naturally just favours whoever has the most games. I'd see "Per Game" stats as much more indicative.

An alternative solution: MVPs based on squad nomination.

The idea of MVP as it is and was before emphasized all the wrong things we should look for in FC members. It would basically just cycle between the same 4-5 people, was never a surprise, and never related to anything that defined the MVP as being someone who holistically contributed to the community as a "valuable" person.

MVP shouldn't be reserved for the same 4-5 people who know how to rack up kills/points anymore IMO. I'd suggest squad leaders/officers in general nominate people who either did significantly well over a period of time compared to what was expected of them and be chosen, so it's not always "Oh, great, the guy from VbD//Legacy is MVP again". Stats are fine, but with the way MVP has always been done, we're actively awarding those who play like complete killjoys.

Just a thought. If sticking to the old, ka/d can't really be beat.

Also Jam, some of these choices! "Total Ties"? Go home, you're drunk.

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Originally Posted by Anarchy

An alternative solution: MVPs based on squad nomination.

The idea of MVP as it is and was before emphasized all the wrong things we should look for in FC members. It would basically just cycle between the same 4-5 people, was never a surprise, and never related to anything that defined the MVP as being someone who holistically contributed to the community as a "valuable" person.

MVP shouldn't be reserved for the same 4-5 people who know how to rack up kills/points anymore IMO. I'd suggest squad leaders/officers in general nominate people who either did significantly well over a period of time compared to what was expected of them and be chosen, so it's not always "Oh, great, the guy from VbD//Legacy is MVP again". Stats are fine, but with the way MVP has always been done, we're actively awarding those who play like complete killjoys.

Just a thought. If sticking to the old, ka/d can't really be beat.

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Not a bad idea. Previously, nominations like that led to awards like Medal of Honor, not MVP. But it doesn't mean something can't be done.

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Originally Posted by Legendary Nova

I'd personally steer clear of "Total" stats, since that naturally just favours whoever has the most games. I'd see "Per Game" stats as much more indicative.

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Also Jam, some of these choices! "Total Ties"? Go home, you're drunk.

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And also, the choices are the stats the Player Stats page. It would be wrong to not include everything, even if some might be too obvious as bad candidates.

Can I change my vote? I didn't see total ties as an option.

I think the number of ties should be the only factor in determining the MVP.

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Originally Posted by Houdini

Can I change my vote? I didn't see total ties as an option.

I think the number of ties should be the only factor in determining the MVP.

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Originally Posted by Jam Cliché

Not a bad idea. Previously, nominations like that led to awards like Medal of Honor, not MVP. But it doesn't mean something can't be done.

And also, the choices are the stats the Player Stats page. It would be wrong to not include everything, even if some might be too obvious as bad candidates.

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I see both Anarchy and Jam's views here, but since medal of honor is usually dictated by high-com, I think it'd be fine to have the community vote on an MVP so there is still a little bit of a difference between the two.

Or:

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Originally Posted by Houdini

I think the number of ties should be the only factor in determining the MVP.

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I think "mindlessly throwing yourself at the enemy flag to keep it alive and dying a lot without any kills" should determine MVP. IMO >.>

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Originally Posted by Anarchy

An alternative solution: MVPs based on squad nomination.

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Originally Posted by W3z4b1

I see both Anarchy and Jam's views here, but since medal of honor is usually dictated by high-com, I think it'd be fine to have the community vote on an MVP so there is still a little bit of a difference between the two.

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Anyone?

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Originally Posted by UNLUCKY NUM13ER

I think "mindlessly throwing yourself at the enemy flag to keep it alive and dying a lot without any kills" should determine MVP. IMO >.>

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Or mindlessly throwing yourself at the objective and dying alot as well :)

I concur with squad nomination. We may see a return of the all-star matches? :P

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Originally Posted by Barry Soap

I concur with squad nomination. We may see a return of the all-star matches? :P

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I'm in agreement, squad nominations and potential all star matches ;)

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Originally Posted by Barry Soap

all-star matches?

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@ Wezabi:

(I think it was Blackhawk) used to host events called 'All-Star' matches in which the nominated MVPs of each squad in REDD and BLUE would play against each other. It was great.

Link: http://fcwars.net/forums/showthread....hlight=allstar

I remember lol, my post was more like a "bringing all-star back...? ;)" message :p

I did find the link helpful for my nostalgia though :)

I'm in agreement with squad nominations. Although needlessly dying for the objective should give it a run for its money ;)

And I completely forgot about Blackhawks All-Star set up, that was an awesome idea.

I think the words needlessly and mindlessly dying for an objective should be changed to selflessly seeing as to me mindlessly and Needlessly sounds like you jumped for objectives that neither helped get a score or win a game. Selfless sounds more like you sacrifice your kd for game changing moments or wins.

If the all stars thing happens and your allowed more than one person from each squad, I think squads should also be able to maybe even vote for a player in their squads to represent them. Like mvp nominees are absolute, but I think that there are people who may be players who's starts don't match what they do for their team.

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Originally Posted by Anarchy

Also Jam, some of these choices! "Total Ties"? Go home, you're drunk.

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I THINK I FOUND A REPLACEMENT FOR THE LINE!!!!!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Silko

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I THINK I FOUND A REPLACEMENT FOR THE LINE!!!!!!!!!

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Holy shit thank jesus

So at the moment I'm leaning toward using...

(Wins*2 + DmgPerLife + ObjPtsPerGame*5)/100

DmgPerLife is just TotalDamage/(Deaths+Games). This represents how much you shoot people.

ObjPtsPerGame is (FlagCaptures*55 + SholdCaptures*5 + AssaultPlants*55 + BallTime)/Games. This represents how much, on average, you are involved in playing the objectives during games.

The overall formula combines...

1. How much you win.
2. How much you shoot people.
3. How much you play the objective.

The 2x for Wins and 5x for ObjPtsPerGame are scaling factors. The /100 at the end is also a scaling factor that changes "575" into "5.75" which just looks better for comparison purposes IMO.

You can currently find this in-action on the Player Stats page here (right-most column): https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...gid=1487339291

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Originally Posted by Mythonian

1. How much you win.

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Just to clarify, this is raw wins, not win percentage correct?

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Originally Posted by W3z4b1

Just to clarify, this is raw wins, not win percentage correct?

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Yeah. It's the aspect that I'm playing around with still, so it'll likely change, since in longer wars it becomes disproportionately effective compared to the other two aspects, while in shorter wars its effect is negligible.

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Originally Posted by Mythonian

Yeah. It's the aspect that I'm playing around with still, so it'll likely change, since in longer wars it becomes disproportionately effective compared to the other two aspects, which in shorter wars its effect is negligible.

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I see, it is definitely to have at least one aspect in the calculation be based on a total-based stat for sure, but I can see the balancing problem.

No perfect calculation really, but this is pretty close I'd say.

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Originally Posted by W3z4b1

I see, it is definitely to have at least one aspect in the calculation be based on a total-based stat for sure, but I can see the balancing problem.

No perfect calculation really, but this is pretty close I'd say.

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After thinking about it a bit, I'll probably scale it with battle attendance so it's more balanced. I'll mess around with it a bit more over the next few days.

I believe in you [to make me the MVP] , Myth.

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Originally Posted by Maxdoggy

I believe in you [to make me the MVP] , Myth.

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Lol, the day that you're made mvp for this war is the day I give up on FC :P

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Originally Posted by silversleek

Lol, the day that you're made mvp for this war is the day I give up on FC :P

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Just in time for Fuzzy to become the Turtle King unchecked by other Canadians. :P

Can I be the MIP? (Most Inspiring Player) I've never been good enough to get an award. ><

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Originally Posted by WolfPack23

Can I be the MIP? (Most Inspiring Player) I've never been good enough to get an award. ><

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If you have never been good enough to win at something how can you be inspiring?

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Originally Posted by Silko

If you have never been good enough to win at something how can you be inspiring?

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