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Res2 Peacetime Update #2
Rebuilding the Armies
Ever vigilant FC members may have noticed that a lot of people's ranks have been changed. Some people may have been promoted or demoted, and some people have even switched armies. This is directly from the outcome of the draft that Lilith and I sat down on Saturday to sort out. Everyone who filled out the form has been placed in an army, and anyone who was previously in an army but did not fill out the form has been removed. Here's what the armies look like:
It's extremely important you get to know your new team mates. This is especially true for you squad leaders. You guys are going to be the driving force for your new squads in this coming war so we really need you all to work hard with the people you've been placed with. Everyone in general, if you can get in touch with the other people in your squad and maybe play a few games of Halo over the next week or so, you'll be way ahead.
If you don't see yourself on this list, you're no longer in an army and will have to reenlist through the new enlistment thread.
Survey Stats
Included in last week's draft form was an 'opinion section' for you guys to voice your thoughts on various things about FC. After all the responses were recorded, Google Forms was nice enough to give us some very informative-looking graphs. First up - availability at different times.
These two graphs are actually pretty interesting. For both of them the least available day is Monday but from that day on the availability steadily increases until Saturday. On Sunday the availability goes slightly down again before crashing on the Monday again and starting over.
Now for me this graph was the most surprising out of all the stuff we collected. An overwhelming number of you voted for Discord over Skype and, as such, we will be trialling Discord as our main method of communication for the whole Res2 war. You can find our official server here. Discord is free, runs very smoothly, and even works in your web browser if you're not feeling like downloading anything. We encourage everyone to join our server and at least try it out.
That War Council Stuff I Mentioned
There has been a lot of stuff debated in the War Council over the past few weeks. The stuff we got out of the way quickly made its way into last week's update, however, there were a few topics we just couldn't figure out in time. After giving everyone another week to talk about things, we've managed to reach a decision on two things in particular - Precursors and Respected Members.
There are three things to do with being a Precursor as explained in the Accords. Firstly, becoming a Precursor is a high honour for veterans who are well known for their leadership and great contributions to the community. Secondly, Precursors are only selected by a unanimous vote of all current Precursors. Thirdly, Precursors are members of the War Council. These points combined make for a few issues with the system. For one, Precursors get access to the War Council without the War Council actually having a say in the matter, and technically you can't become a Precursor because you need a unanimous vote of all current Precursors, of which most aren't even active anymore to vote on said matter. That's why, with the help of Maxdoggy and Guzzie, we're taking the opportunity to fix the Precursor system while we're changing everything else at the same time. With the new way of handling things, the Precursor rank is seen as an active rank (you have to be active to have it), which means all inactive Precursors have been removed from the rank and returned to Respected Member. New Precursors will now be voted in through a joint agreement of the current Precursors and War Council. Precursors will still be War Council members. (As a sort of related side note: The Forerunner rank is being retired. Spartanbh has been moved to the 'Founder' rank instead, which doesn't mean much other than the fact that Spartan's FC username now looks way cooler.)
As for the Respected Members, the only real issue is that there isn't any official definition for what you need to do to qualify for 'Respected'. Well, there wasn't a definition anyway. From this point on, in order for members to be granted the 'Respected' usergroup there are a few things they have to have done:
- Have been an active member of FC for at least 2 years.
- Have served at least one full war in the War Council
- Have a low number of total infractions and be on a good standing with the community.
That last point is a bit more subjective and is up for interpretation by the War Council at the time, but there are your basic guidelines for getting into green army.
Testing, Then Forging, Then Testing Some More
We want this war to go as smoothly and be as enjoyable as physically possible. That includes having a nice warmap with lots of awesome forge creations so you have something pretty to look at in between shooting the people on the other team. Lilith and I went around to a few forge related sites and youtube channels recently and picked a good selection of maps that could potentially make it into the warmap. You can find that list here. Now all we need to do is stress test the everliving crap out of all of them to make sure only the best maps get the Forge Department stamp of approval. For this entire week until Saturday, the Forge Department will be hosting forge nights on all the possible maps for next war starting nightly at 7pm EST. We need a decent number of you guys to show up to be able to effectively test these maps out, not to mention this is a great opportunity for you to provide your input on the maps you'll be playing on next war. So if you're able to, please spare some time to help us make this war's warmap awesome. I'll end this section with a screenshot from what could potentially be my favourite forge map to date.
(Click to See Full Size)
Doesn't that look awesome!
I think that's all I have to say this update. Quick recap: Armies, enlist if you're not in one. We're using Discord now. Forge night every day 7pm until Saturday. Yeah pretty sure that's it.
Until next time,
~Legendary Nova, BLUE Field Marsharoo
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Barry Soap
goooooooooood stuff
Hiyyaaaa fellow teammate xD
Also good stuff nova, really good stuff
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This looks really good :)
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Guess the 7 years I and many others put into this community from Halo 2 to Halo 4 was for nothing. Stripping us of Precursor is an absolute slap in the face.
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RENGADE 0F FUNK
Guess the 7 years I and many others put into this community from Halo 2 to Halo 4 was for nothing. Stripping us of Precursor is an absolute slap in the face.
It isn't that at all Funk. The reality of the situation is that precursors are a rank that is meant to help advice War Council. People who haven't taken part in FC in many months or in some cases years are not in any position to advise WC. If being in purple army is that important to you and the other precursors who were placed in the respected rank, get involved with FC again and we can place you back in that rank.
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The definition of Precursor literally means people that came before.
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RENGADE 0F FUNK
The definition of Precursor literally means people that came before.
Lore does not come before function. Like I said, if you wish to gain your previous rank back you will need to take part of the community again. I'll use fuzzy as an example. He was green army for almost 2 years, offered to help in any capacity that he can as he doesn't have an xbone, and we found that he can function as a WD on the site and statbook. Same thing applies to purple army.
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Just gonna drop my two cents in, because why not.
I think I totally agree about Lore and Function. I think for me and my opinion, I'd have rather seen a new role created maybe with less administrative power or access that was defined by a different set of years.
2 Years entry for a Respected Member is such a low barrier of access. I think something for 5+ years should or could be created.
The people upset by this are people who have literally been a part (active or not) for close to a decade. I'm obviously not an active member, however I was the second person to be involved in any of this and even humble me would like to see a different title befitting of the time. Not only for myself, but for the people I helped build this very platform with.
It's my responsibility for them, my friends and my brothers to speak up and attempt for a resolution.
-Micro
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Good Luck to the new generation of FC. Proud of you guys for making this your own thing. Hope it all works out for you guys. Although you may here people say "Well, I would of done, that.. or you should have done this.."(I myself may be thinking it loudly) it is no place for myself, Micro or anyone else that claims to be a "vet" to tell you how to run things if those "vets" are no longer active.
This is far from the FC that me, micro and even Spartan created all those years ago.. It evolved.
Again, Good Luck to the new high command and precursors of the current FC :)
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Yeah, I'm certainly not trying to "direct" or impost an idea. Just casting my opinion.
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*Incoming 'ancestor' rank*
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RaZ Vader
Good Luck to the new generation of FC. Proud of you guys for making this your own thing. Hope it all works out for you guys. Although you may here people say "Well, I would of done, that.. or you should have done this.."(I myself may be thinking it loudly) it is no place for myself, Micro or anyone else that claims to be a "vet" to tell you how to run things if those "vets" are no longer active.
This is far from the FC that me, micro and even Spartan created all those years ago.. It evolved.
Again, Good Luck to the new high command and precursors of the current FC :)
RAZ!!!! <3<3
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RaZ Vader
Good Luck to the new generation of FC. Proud of you guys for making this your own thing. Hope it all works out for you guys. Although you may here people say "Well, I would of done, that.. or you should have done this.."(I myself may be thinking it loudly) it is no place for myself, Micro or anyone else that claims to be a "vet" to tell you how to run things if those "vets" are no longer active.
This is far from the FC that me, micro and even Spartan created all those years ago.. It evolved.
Again, Good Luck to the new high command and precursors of the current FC :)
Respect
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MicroJupiter
2 Years entry for a Respected Member is such a low barrier of access. I think something for 5+ years should or could be created.
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I don't remember where I read it, but my vision or a respected member was always something along the lines of doing one of the following:
Being a FM
2 years with some HC experience
3 years with some leadership experience as a CO/XO
4 years of being a PFC
It's not really a definition which is what you guys worked on so I see why it's not ideal, but I feel it's more accurate.
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W3z4b1
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I don't remember where I read it, but my vision or a respected member was always something along the lines of doing one of the following:
Being a FM
2 years with some HC experience
3 years with some leadership experience as a CO/XO
4 years of being a PFC
It's not really a definition which is what you guys worked on so I see why it's not ideal, but I feel it's more accurate.
Ya those were the guidelines I created like 5 years ago but we are changing it up.
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Fuzzy
Ya those were the guidelines I created like 5 years ago but we are changing it up.
Lol that self indulgence tho
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Silko
Lol that self indulgence tho
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFZrzg62Zj0
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5+ years for respected? Holy shit that's longer than it takes to get a degree AND a job... That's like you join at 15 and sign a contract till you're 20 to get a green rank.
Let's not do that, base it on merit; what you did with your time rather than just the time
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NervyDestroyer
5+ years for respected? Holy shit that's longer than it takes to get a degree AND a job... That's like you join at 15 and sign a contract till you're 20 to get a green rank.
Let's not do that, base it on merit; what you did with your time rather than just the time
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NervyDestroyer
5+ years for respected? Holy shit that's longer than it takes to get a degree AND a job... That's like you join at 15 and sign a contract till you're 20 to get a green rank.
Let's not do that, base it on merit; what you did with your time rather than just the time
While I agree, remember it's just a dumb user group.
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W3z4b1
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I don't remember where I read it, but my vision or a respected member was always something along the lines of doing one of the following:
Being a FM
2 years with some HC experience
3 years with some leadership experience as a CO/XO
4 years of being a PFC
It's not really a definition which is what you guys worked on so I see why it's not ideal, but I feel it's more accurate.
This is what it was before, until it devolved to a point where not getting green when you left an army was a slap in the face in and of itself because so many exceptions were already made.
I'm personally not a fan of the Precursor changes, the whole point was for it to be a self-inclusive group to allow veteran input into WC as an entity independent of WC's influence. Mede made the group and set its standards a while ago that way, sad to see that concept he created broken down. I wasn't always a fan of the people who were in the group, but if I started a community like this 10+ years ago with a small group, I'd feel a bit let down if I was told that group's powerless special title needs to be stripped because of something as trivial as activity.
But lets be real. Can we have a Kill Wolfpack day? 15v1, whoever kills wolfpack the most wins. Whoever dies to wolfpack immediately gets made fun of.
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Anarchy
I'm personally not a fan of the Precursor changes, the whole point was for it to be a self-inclusive group to allow veteran input into WC as an entity independent of WC's influence. Mede made the group and set its standards a while ago that way, sad to see that concept he created broken down. I wasn't always a fan of the people who were in the group, but if I started a community like this 10+ years ago with a small group, I'd feel a bit let down if I was told that group's powerless special title needs to be stripped because of something as trivial as activity.
you call the group powerless and specify it's existence is to influence war council in the same paragraph. That's not what powerless means.
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VerbotenDonkey
Bananarchy for FM.
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VerbotenDonkey
Bananarchy for FM.
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silversleek
you call the group powerless and specify it's existence is to influence war council in the same paragraph. That's not what powerless means.
From an authoritative standpoint, precursors have less power than an army's gunnery sergeant.
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Anarchy
From an authoritative standpoint, precursors have less power than an army's gunnery sergeant.
From a community standpoint Precursors have about the same power as an army's Lt. General since they can access the WC.
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Legendary Nova
From a community standpoint Precursors have about the same power as an army's Lt. General since they can access the WC.
There's a laundry list of things an LTG can do and has authority over that a Precursor cannot and does not.
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silversleek
you call the group powerless and specify it's existence is to influence war council in the same paragraph. That's not what powerless means.
^This
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Anarchy
There's a laundry list of things an LTG can do and has authority over that a Precursor cannot and does not.
Who you going to listen to more? The LTG who doesn't have a vote and is rotated out by another person in WC at the end of the war, or the guy who also doesn't have a WC vote but is always apart of WC? LTGs have more direct say in every day army operations but in both political and in just flat out respect a precursor has more power and say. Shall I remind everyone on why Operation Firestorm even happened in the first place? Severally out of touch vets didn't like how things ran, wanted to change stuff and because of back door access they gave themselves they had the power to do it. Cost the community half of it's members and almost broke FC apart. I will always value the input of a veteran member. Hell that is half the reason I'm in the position I am in now. But if you can't put in the time to take apart of FC then you simply do not have the ability to advise WC on day to day events. That is what WC wants of the precursor rank. A neutral rank that has the ability to support WC on a daily bases. I posted it in both here and WC several times. If people who were apart of purple army really want that rank, then just show up and take part of FC again. FC gains veteran members back and you get that shiny user group next to your name. Win for everyone. If you can't put the time aside for FC, Life > FC, then we will completely understand and hope you can return when able.
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Silko
^This
Who you going to listen to more? The LTG who doesn't have a vote and is rotated out by another person in WC at the end of the war, or the guy who also doesn't have a WC vote but is always apart of WC? LTGs have more direct say in every day army operations but in both political and in just flat out respect a precursor has more power and say. Shall I remind everyone on why Operation Firestorm even happened in the first place? Severally out of touch vets didn't like how things ran, wanted to change stuff and because of back door access they gave themselves they had the power to do it. Cost the community half of it's members and almost broke FC apart. I will always value the input of a veteran member. Hell that is half the reason I'm in the position I am in now. But if you can't put in the time to take apart of FC then you simply do not have the ability to advise WC on day to day events. That is what WC wants of the precursor rank. A neutral rank that has the ability to support WC on a daily bases. I posted it in both here and WC several times. If people who were apart of purple army really want that rank, then just show up and take part of FC again. FC gains veteran members back and you get that shiny user group next to your name. Win for everyone. If you can't put the time aside for FC, Life > FC, then we will completely understand and hope you can return when able.
Well that escalated quickly... I can tell you guys feel very strongly about your decision. I just wanted to state my 1 opinion. We can agree to disagree on what power titles give.
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I think you guys are all putting your focus on the wrong thing here. Sure, voice your opinions, but I think there are other more important things to consider from this update. At the end of the day, and in a day to day basis, we precursors just serve as subs for when a squad needs a filler, that is literally the biggest impact we will have in the eyes of the every day member.
The more important thing to take from this update, in my mind, is the result of the draft. Any thoughts on potential balancing issues? Wouldn't it be best to reach out to members who did not fill out that survey to get them involved?
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Guzzie
Wouldn't it be best to reach out to members who did not fill out that survey to get them involved?
well of course it would
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That precursor user group image looks amazing tho.
(totally digressing)
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Barry Soap
That precursor user group image looks amazing tho.
(totally digressing)
(Psssst each one had their own unique usergroup image)
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VerbotenDonkey
(Psssst each one had their own unique usergroup image)
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAT
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Barry Soap
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAT
Based off the armor they wore in H4.
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Barry Soap
WHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA AAT
Surprise, motherfucker. xD
But yeah Donkey and Silko are totally right. They were custom-designed for us.
#Halo4EnforcerMasterRace
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Also if the games are Saturdays again I'll be showing up like once every 3 months so haHAA to whoever drafted me.
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Looks like it's workin so far, but we gotta wait for the war to start to see it's effectiveness.
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I would get back into fc, but since you guys are doing bn on saturday i can't
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disregard my last one, i have had a rather quick change of heart
