Re: North Koreans Hacked by Anonymous
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Originally Posted by
WSxPhoenix
Facts:
1.) North Korea has never successfully attempted a long-ranged launch. The likelihood of them even being able to launch against the West Coast is already low, Bazonga.
2.) In 2011, Obama completely upgraded and mobilized anti-missile capabilities on the west coast.
3.) The only time North Korea has sent something far beyond their little peninsula was in their botched attempt to get something into space. If they can't do that, they can't really launch an ICBM at the West Coast. It's much more complicated than getting a piece of machinery into space.
4.) Should the above three facts prove false and the West Coast get hit with a nuclear weapon, North Korea has never been able to fit a 1000 pound requirement for a nuclear bomb to reach megaton level. None of their tests have ever reached this yield. A hit on the West Coast would, overall, not be very effective, whereas a single massive incendiary bomb from us would absolutely devastate Peongyang.
Here's what I'd imagine would happen.
Their leader decides it's time to show some force for his population, and makes a small strike at the DMZ. Americans/S Korean personnel are hit, and it seems like the war drums sound. China will discourage action in the region, but won't commit forces there, because they'd much rather get US money for goods than to continue to send goods to N Korea. We win the war, N Korea is merged with S Korea, and S Korea manages the whole peninsula.
In no scenario, at all, does North Korea get away with a single attack on the US. The world no longer really supports them, and no one is going to commit an army battle against the US, not while our military is as strong as it is. The only time the US gets hit is through sabotage and terrorist strikes. That's just facts.
N Korea would go down, literally, in about a week or so. And the US wouldn't even have to stay there and manage it like we had to do with Afghanistan and Iraq. We'd just hand the country over to the UN and South Korea, and it's gg from there.
Agreed. NK has little resources that we would want. If they had any resources we wouldn't have to give them simple things like food. So the odds of us having to pick up what remains of NK is fairly low seeing as SK has been wanting to take NK since the 50s. The only thing the US would want out of NK is Kim Jong Un (or what I call him, Korean Erik Cartman) and we want him so we can put him in some hole in the ground so we can get on with our lives and not have to hear about his little fits.
Re: North Koreans Hacked by Anonymous
You guys Forget the Civilian Element in all of this. America Doesnt want to kill Civilians, (atleast thats what they say) not only that it wouldnt be the first war America lost agaisnt a tiny nation with a poor military and starving troops. *cough* Vietnam *cough* There are many Variables at play and you guys are only looking at a few of them. If NK started a war and if they were the only Casualties that would still be hundreds of thousands in not Millions of people that would die, and not all of the Soldiers, but also women and children. And Chances are SK would take a pretty hard hit.
So I say Fuck those Hackers, what they are Doing is like pouring gas on a fire, and they should be shot in the back of the head for Risking so many lives.
EDIT: Not to Mention the Fact that they could cause those who live Trap of a country an even Harder time, if it causes them to take money away from living conditions to bolster the Propaganda they put out.
Re: North Koreans Hacked by Anonymous
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Originally Posted by
bazongaman502
Fine Anarchy... Im wrong
Actually, you're not wrong. Most people don't realize this, but the United States is like an exotic flower in a green-house. We look pretty, and are a nice little sentiment, but take away the green house and we die. All it would take is THREE nuclear weapons that could be fired from small boats to destroy the US. There are few ways to do this. The main way would be to attack nuclear power plants and make them lose stability. Only one or two damaged would result in the entire west coast being evacuated. Remember Prypiat? That was what happens when you AVOID meltdown. If they completely destroy the facility?
The other, much more terrifying possibility is that North Korea would use three nukes detonated at certain points over the US. This would create an EMP that would destroy all US assets not overseas. Our nuclear defenses couldn't even be fired back, because the launch system would be permanently disabled. This would cause mass deaths in the US, as food production, medical production, communication, and more would be shutdown. Read the book or a summary of the book "One Second After". This book basically details how the US could be beaten in an hour by IRAN. If both Iran and N. Korea worked together to make a nuclear strike (Iran may have nuclear warheads stolen from Russia. Russia has "lost track of" many of their nuclear bombs) the US would fall quickly.
And the West Coast would most likely be the first place shot at. I live within twenty minutes of an important AF base, so I'd be dead pretty quick if war broke out. LA and San Francisco would be shot at as well, and probably Seattle as well.
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Re: North Koreans Hacked by Anonymous
Interesting Fact:
In the March 29th N. Korean Missile Resolution that Kim Jung Un signed, battle plans were spotted to attack the following cities first with nuclear strikes:
1. L.A.
2. Washington DC
3. Hawaii
4. Austin, Texas (I guess they want to kill all the homeowners with guns??)
Re: North Koreans Hacked by Anonymous
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Originally Posted by
Maxdoggy
Interesting Fact:
In the March 29th N. Korean Missile Resolution that Kim Jung Un signed, battle plans were spotted to attack the following cities first with nuclear strikes:
1. L.A.
2. Washington DC
3. Hawaii
4. Austin, Texas (I guess they want to kill all the homeowners with guns??)
Yeah I saw that on the Daily Show too last night LOL. I guess they really don't like texas.....
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Originally Posted by
Lil Nawty Lucia
You guys Forget the Civilian Element in all of this. America Doesnt want to kill Civilians, (atleast thats what they say) not only that it wouldnt be the first war America lost agaisnt a tiny nation with a poor military and starving troops. *cough* Vietnam *cough* There are many Variables at play and you guys are only looking at a few of them. If NK started a war and if they were the only Casualties that would still be hundreds of thousands in not Millions of people that would die, and not all of the Soldiers, but also women and children. And Chances are SK would take a pretty hard hit.
So I say Fuck those Hackers, what they are Doing is like pouring gas on a fire, and they should be shot in the back of the head for Risking so many lives.
EDIT: Not to Mention the Fact that they could cause those who live Trap of a country an even Harder time, if it causes them to take money away from living conditions to bolster the Propaganda they put out.
We aren't looking at only a few variables. I specifically mentioned that the government would be taken out in a few days until they had a good hiding spot. We wouldn't go and nuke them, but we would launch strategic strikes to take out leaders and collapse their government.
In a war, yes, many civilians would die. That's an unfortunate result, but it's not a valid reason to stand by as North Korea continues killing South Koreans.
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Originally Posted by
BubbaBishop21
Actually, you're not wrong. Most people don't realize this, but the United States is like an exotic flower in a green-house. We look pretty, and are a nice little sentiment, but take away the green house and we die. All it would take is THREE nuclear weapons that could be fired from small boats to destroy the US. There are few ways to do this. The main way would be to attack nuclear power plants and make them lose stability. Only one or two damaged would result in the entire west coast being evacuated. Remember Prypiat? That was what happens when you AVOID meltdown. If they completely destroy the facility?
The other, much more terrifying possibility is that North Korea would use three nukes detonated at certain points over the US. This would create an EMP that would destroy all US assets not overseas. Our nuclear defenses couldn't even be fired back, because the launch system would be permanently disabled. This would cause mass deaths in the US, as food production, medical production, communication, and more would be shutdown. Read the book or a summary of the book "One Second After". This book basically details how the US could be beaten in an hour by IRAN. If both Iran and N. Korea worked together to make a nuclear strike (Iran may have nuclear warheads stolen from Russia. Russia has "lost track of" many of their nuclear bombs) the US would fall quickly.
And the West Coast would most likely be the first place shot at. I live within twenty minutes of an important AF base, so I'd be dead pretty quick if war broke out. LA and San Francisco would be shot at as well, and probably Seattle as well.
And you seem to not be explaining how they would pull that off? You say it's be rather easy, but in reality every situation you just listed is effectively impossible for them.
1) They would never get boats anywhere close to our side of the pacific...
2) Their main missiles require large launch pads and weeks of preparation before it's possible to launch them. We have these launch pads all under constant surveillance, and even these can't even get halfway to our mainland.
3) We are in position to destroy these missiles at the launch pads at a moments notice, long before they have enough time to prepare for a launch.
4) Our missile defense system is meant to prevent any sort of attack that could slip through, also. New missile defenses in Guam, ships with anti-missile capabilities right off their coast, Hawaiian defenses, and not to mention the West Coast is littered with defenses as well. Those missiles wouldn't get anywhere close.
5) For Iran it's very similar as well. For them to launch those missiles, they need weeks of preparation on launch pads (which are again all under surveillance), and the missiles would be taken out before they got anywhere close.
6) Also just like North Korea, we are in position to destroy these missiles at the launch pads at a moments notice, long before they have enough time to prepare for a launch.