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    I don't see how allowing a municipality to run an ISP is of any benefit to anyone, or how it makes cable companies less likely to become Monopolistic.

    Actually, Bell buying up all the old small town municipal phone companies is kind of what caused the last communication infrastructure monopoly.

    Internet sucks right now because people let it suck, not because companies are forcing it down.



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    I don't see how allowing a municipality to run an ISP is of any benefit to anyone, or how it makes cable companies less likely to become Monopolistic.

    Actually, Bell buying up all the old small town municipal phone companies is kind of what caused the last communication infrastructure monopoly.

    Internet sucks right now because people let it suck, not because companies are forcing it down.
    It's an issue of choice and competition.

    If this bill is pushed through, it means that the FCC can't regulate how the Internet is connected on a city-wide level. Any regulations favored by the FCC to Prevent Cable Company Fuckery would essentially become moot under this bill.

    The municipality might not be the best agency to run the Internet in that area, but it's simply an issue of choice - something people in the USA don't have a lot of when it comes to how we connect to the Internet.
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    I mean, I guess you could say government ability to create their own ISP has the potential to create more choices, but it's really a non-factor. In the end, if a municipal ISP were created, it would either create a profit and be sold off (to Comcast, etc.) or run at a loss and simply charge us via municipal treasury (tax, ie USPS) rather than a straight bill. Government agencies have a tendency to run fat, not lean, due to no profit motive. Which is great when thinking about something like the FTC, USDA, but not so great in functions that are meant to survive on cash flow.


    6 months ago the argument was that the government was snooping too much on the internet, now it's that we should give them more allowance to create their own ISP.



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    Re: Prevent Cable Company F**kery

    Quote Originally Posted by Anarchy View Post
    I mean, I guess you could say government ability to create their own ISP has the potential to create more choices, but it's really a non-factor. In the end, if a municipal ISP were created, it would either create a profit and be sold off (to Comcast, etc.) or run at a loss and simply charge us via municipal treasury (tax, ie USPS) rather than a straight bill. Government agencies have a tendency to run fat, not lean, due to no profit motive. Which is great when thinking about something like the FTC, USDA, but not so great in functions that are meant to survive on cash flow.


    6 months ago the argument was that the government was snooping too much on the internet, now it's that we should give them more allowance to create their own ISP.
    Don't worry - the government is STILL snooping too much on the Internet. This bill (HR 5016) would prevent more options and competition from existing.

    Case in point, Chattanooga, TN has had Google Fiber-like speeds for the past five years because the government used the lines owned by companies like Level 3 (Internet backbone providers) to provide better alternatives for Internet for their residents.

    Governments have incentives to create competitive internet speeds, as the faster the connections are, the more businesses will move to an area to take advantage of it, and thus, more direct revenue and taxes coming in to the municipality.

    This bill that's trying to be shoe-horned in would completely usurp the FCC's power to manage and regulate the Internet in such municipalities. Twenty states already have some form of agreement with the likes of Comcast and TimeWarner to prevent local governments from doing such things as what Chattanooga did.
    Tom Wheeler, the FCC Chairman (who's a bag of dicks, generally speaking), supports the cause of the FCC having regulatory power in preventing cable companies from having so much control over governments for Internet.

    All I, BoingBoing, and the Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) are asking is that everyone gives their House representative a quick 30 second call to let them know that this kind of bill has NO place in our government today, or in the future.

    THIS LINK will take you to that place to call your representative, and it even provides a basic script to let your rep know that HR 5016 should NOT be passed.

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    Don't worry - the government is STILL snooping too much on the Internet. This bill (HR 5016) would prevent more options and competition from existing.
    In many ways, it's doing the opposite. Not a lot of companies have access to a $111 Million stimulus grant.

    I just don't buy the idea of being outraged that the people who can't run a profitable cash flow to save their life, and have access to resources even larger companies don't, aren't being allowed to use their power to leverage higher internet speeds. Even if they're running a profit for their side of things, and challenging TWC to compete more, they're going to have more resources at their disposal without the risk of going bankrupt. Artificially saturating the market is going to make it even harder for companies to form, grow, and stay alive, which is usually when Oligarchies begin to form for survival.

    If a municipality wants to advance its internet, a more plausible solution is to offer some tax breaks to companies like Google FiOS and Verizon FiOS to come build, it's a temporary incentive to a temporary problem, plus its cost is less direct. The establishment of a municipal, government ISP can have its drawbacks, and those drawbacks will be a lot more long term with a huge initial nominal cost as well.



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    Quote Originally Posted by Anarchy View Post
    In many ways, it's doing the opposite. Not a lot of companies have access to a $111 Million stimulus grant.

    I just don't buy the idea of being outraged that the people who can't run a profitable cash flow to save their life, and have access to resources even larger companies don't, aren't being allowed to use their power to leverage higher internet speeds. Even if they're running a profit for their side of things, and challenging TWC to compete more, they're going to have more resources at their disposal without the risk of going bankrupt. Artificially saturating the market is going to make it even harder for companies to form, grow, and stay alive, which is usually when Oligarchies begin to form for survival.

    If a municipality wants to advance its internet, a more plausible solution is to offer some tax breaks to companies like Google FiOS and Verizon FiOS to come build, it's a temporary incentive to a temporary problem, plus its cost is less direct. The establishment of a municipal, government ISP can have its drawbacks, and those drawbacks will be a lot more long term with a huge initial nominal cost as well.
    If you read the EFF's posting on this, it states that if this bill is passed, municipalities won't even have the option to get their cities "Google Fiber ready" as doing so and activating the "dark fiber" that may already be laid in the ground would go against the "non-compete clauses" that many governments have signed to allow for companies like Comcast to set up shop in said municipalities. CTRL+F for "Chatt" on THIS PAGE to see where the EFF talks about this.

    We can talk for days about what the benefits/detractions are, but from what we've seen so far with places like Chattanooga, TN, Springfield, MO, and soon San Francisco and Seattle, the only bad things stemming from this resurgence in localized fiber networks and ISPs is that some ground may be dug up to add new fiber - temporarily making people's front yards have a ditch for less than a week while fiber connections are being made.

    Regardless, more harm will be done if this bill goes through than the somewhat good parts that HR 5016 is attached to. This pork-bellying things on to other bills that are sure to pass is absolutely enraging and our politicians need to hear that we won't stand for this BS.

    Please everyone, even if the lines are closed, leave a message and let your representative know that they need to vote NO on HR 5016.
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