Why MCC Will Hurt FC

[Toast78901]

So I can't play and laugh with a FM if I'm a Private because he is a much higher rank and that it's not disciplined?

Not in a legit WARSIM, no. Not on legit FC time anyway. But like I said, we don't have to be that strict. We just need to rebrand.

Besides, I'm not sure where you guys get the notion that people only come here for the WARSIM atmosphere...

Um. No one said they ONLY came here for that aspect. There are plenty of reasons to join. All that has been said thus far is that if we call ourselves one thing and people join under the pretext that it is what we are, we have deceived them.

Every recruit and member I talked to came here for the community. I get what you're saying, but rebranding isn't necessary because our ranking system is quite diverse in that different ranks provide different responsibility

Rebranding has nothing to do with Ranks. It has to do with what we call ourselves as a community. And obviously rebranding is necessary if they came to a WARSIM for a reason other than the actual sim... which is what is supposed to set us apart. Also, I have no clue what FC you have been a part of, but our Rank system hardly denlotes responsibility. Only to the point that I can tell who is an officer and who isn't. For the most part, the definition of each rank is incredibly loose (especially the NCO ranks), at least here in BLUE (and I hear it isn't that much different, but a bit better) in REDD. I can remember when my officer rank was LITERALLY determined by a DICE ROLL. Hell of a lot of meaning there lol.

In short, all I'm saying is we drop the WARSIM from our description of ourselves and just say we are "military-inspired". But calling ourselves a legit sim is like calling Taco Bell Mexican food.

[Sicarioano]

Lol real military. This is nothing close to real military. If you want to go back to what it use to be follow this then...

https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...dIsH2uv_4/edit

Not really sure where I got this but I found it the other day. Good luck telling people that have been here 2 months and are already officers that they are going back to SGT

[VerbotenDonkey]

If anyone here remembers Emmett... well then you'll remember what a mil-sim was all about. :P

[NervyDestroyer]

My issue with creating a rigidly structured WARSIM is that members who come in with an eager attitude may leave because they have to make up months and months of "experience" to really feel like they can make a difference and help out. I like this loose WARSIM environment, it provides opportunity to those willing to help...

[Toast78901]

My issue with creating a rigidly structured WARSIM is that members who come in with an eager attitude may leave because they have to make up months and months of "experience" to really feel like they can make a difference and help out. I like this loose WARSIM environment, it provides opportunity to those willing to help...

If they leave because we require them to commit, then I hardly doubt they would have stayed long anyway. Anyway, I don't feel our points are conflicting. Again: we don't need to become more strict. All we have to do is change what we call ourselves. This is an issue of branding, not operations.

[Jam Cliché]

My issue with creating a rigidly structured WARSIM is that members who come in with an eager attitude may leave because they have to make up months and months of "experience" to really feel like they can make a difference and help out. I like this loose WARSIM environment, it provides opportunity to those willing to help...

Once again I feel like yours and our ideas of "rigidly structured" are different. Don't let Sicarioano confuse you - we're not saying to go months without a promotion. Obviously the armies in this community have an accelerated timeline compared to what we'd grasp as real life terms for an interstellar conflict. Wars last months instead of years, battles happen every week on different worlds, etc. All we're saying is there was more rigidity before than there is now, and going back to that in certain aspects shouldn't be ruled out.

It's not even a "decision" to be made to radically change the community. It merely requires individuals to step up and encourage people to engage in a more respectful culture, recognize when and when not shout, cut up, and laugh, and regard ranks (and those who hold them) up to their responsibility. Is that so foreign?

[Sicarioano]

My issue with creating a rigidly structured WARSIM is that members who come in with an eager attitude may leave because they have to make up months and months of "experience" to really feel like they can make a difference and help out. I like this loose WARSIM environment, it provides opportunity to those willing to help...

Just because you want to help doesn't mean you deserve that position especially if you're new here and have no experience. I don't think anybody here would feel comfortable handing off HC positions to a bunch of 14-15 year old's just because they want to "help". This place has been around a while and in order to have some responsibility here you need to be here a while and have enough experience and trust from older members before we start handing out upper level positions.

[NervyDestroyer]

Once again I feel like yours and our ideas of "rigidly structured" are different. Don't let Sicarioano confuse you - we're not saying to go months without a promotion. Obviously the armies in this community have an accelerated timeline compared to what we'd grasp as real life terms for an interstellar conflict. Wars last months instead of years, battles happen every week on different worlds, etc. All we're saying is there was more rigidity before than there is now, and going back to that in certain aspects shouldn't be ruled out.

It's not even a "decision" to be made to radically change the community. It merely requires individuals to step up and encourage people to engage in a more respectful culture, recognize when and when not shout, cut up, and laugh, and regard ranks (and those who hold them) up to their responsibility. Is that so foreign?

I agree. Sometimes the proper respect is not shown to those who dedicate so much time and effort into the community. They don't just hand out HC positions like tissues.

Just because you want to help doesn't mean you deserve that position especially if you're new here and have no experience. I don't think anybody here would feel comfortable handing off HC positions to a bunch of 14-15 year old's just because they want to "help". This place has been around a while and in order to have some responsibility here you need to be here a while and have enough experience and trust from older members before we start handing out upper level positions.

Agreed, but you also don't want them to get "lost in the ranks" so to speak

[Zeta Crossfire]

I want more military structure, not less. Not full blown but I miss the idea that rank meant something. When I joined Redwatch back in back in Rec 1 I started out as a Pvt. Between January and may, nearly 5 months of putting a lot of time into this community only then was I promoted to 1sgt sgt. Before that I had to recruit, run battle nights, squad practices, impress to earn that rank. While our community is smaller now and ranking up will be faster, I want more of the milsim environment.

When I first joined I remember meeting Unlucky number the FM at the time for Redd and going out of my way to show him respect for his rank. I never see that anymore, even field marshal the highest rank is treated with casual attitude. I don't like that anymore

[Houdini]

Another thing to consider is how the transition away from warsim has correlated with an increase in disrespectful behavior. If you haven't been told yet, there have been way too many infractions and just general disrespectful behavior in this last war. I'm not saying the cause of all this is the fact that we are losing the warsim feel, but it sure looks like there is a strong correlation.