Is Destiny actually that good?

[NervyDestroyer]

So is it? The story is kinda just clunked together. I love playing against level 25s when I'm a level 9 -_- The ships, armor, and guns kinda look like repaints of the same model a lot of the time. The mini-bosses die so fast. The main bosses just sponge bullets. Why is it so good? I love Destiny yet the game has problems that kinda are just there.

[HighLight]

Jesus that is one annoying person if I've ever seen one. Couldn't even watch more than ten seconds.

Just for the record, I think destiny still looks like titanfall v2.

[ChillSquishster]

I tried watching the video but I couldn't even get past 5 minutes. I think that may be a record for this video.
First off I am going to say this and it goes for anyone complaining about any game (warning this may turn into a rant).

If you have any complaint about any game at all, no matter what it is, and you think you could do it better? THEN GO MAKE THE GAME YOURSELF! Does anyone even realise how hard it is anymore to make a game as huge as destiny is or many other games like it. This has been years in the making.

But lets go over some of the arguements I have heard for this game and lets see my response.

1) The game is too much like other games. (ie. Halo, borderlands, etc.)

Well of course it will be. Almost every new idea out there can be related to another game because almost every type of game has been done already. You can make almost any connection between any game if you really wanted to.

2) The story is too short and doesn't explain a whole lot.

Well whoever says this is completely missing the whole point of what games like this do. Have you heard of the grimoires? Yeah that weird score thing that keeps popping up you know nothing about. Well that is actually linked to your profile on bungie.net where you can go look at cards you have unlocked. and guess what? On each card it tells about the background and story. So just like some other games have (such as dark souls and borderlands) you have to read some item descriptions to get some more of the lore going on.But guess they were just too lazy to actually go figure that out

3. It is a grind fest to get materials or get levels.

No shit sherlock. Have you ever played an MMO before?

4. the RNG is crap.

Okay this one makes me laugh every single time. For those of you who don't know RNG means random number generatation. Which means that every time you kill something or complete a mission or finish a crucible match you have a random chance at getting something. People are complaining because they are impatient and want all the good gear now instead of waiting for it. Here is my words to them. What part of the random in RNG do not get? IT means random for a reason. Don't like it? Well sucks to be you then cause RNG is in a lot of games now.

5. All the enemies are so repetitive.

Now this one is retarded just from looking at it but I did some research to prove my point on it. Did you know in Destiny there are actually 23 different enemy types, not including bosses or drop ships. Yeah I counted them. Did you know Halo 4 only has about 8 different enemy types with a few different colors. So there is that for logic. Won't list them all but you can look it up yourself.

6. The story isn't long enough and they are making us pay for expansions.

I have heard this from the same people who will go out and buy every COD and all their DLCs every year. but anyways. The story actually does take a while if you don't blast through the whole thing it does take a while. And even after you get through all that, the real game starts once you get up past level 20. There is so more more things to do and accomplish. All that random stuff you thought was useless before now finally becomes useful. You get so much gear, harder missions to accomplish. You think that boss was easy at level 4? Try him again at level 20 or even level 28 and see how much of a challenge it is. And if that isn't enough for you. Bungie has been releasing free, let me repeat that, FREE CONTENT since the game came out and are continuing to do it so there should be no complaints at all that there is nothing to do.

So there it is my rant about it. Destiny is an amazing game and it is only going to get better. I am completely hooked on it and have only scratched the surface with one character. Now stop complaining about games and just do what we are suppose to do... enjoy them. That is all. Chill Out.


Edit: since you edited your post when I was posting mine I didn't get to see it. Did you know in pvp they make everyone more on an even playing field? I am a level 27 and can still be killed by level 7s just as easily as I can by a level 28. That arguement is invalid. Please look it up before you complain about it

[NervyDestroyer]

I tried watching the video but I couldn't even get past 5 minutes. I think that may be a record for this video.
First off I am going to say this and it goes for anyone complaining about any game (warning this may turn into a rant).

If you have any complaint about any game at all, no matter what it is, and you think you could do it better? THEN GO MAKE THE GAME YOURSELF! Does anyone even realise how hard it is anymore to make a game as huge as destiny is or many other games like it. This has been years in the making.

But lets go over some of the arguements I have heard for this game and lets see my response.

1) The game is too much like other games. (ie. Halo, borderlands, etc.)

Well of course it will be. Almost every new idea out there can be related to another game because almost every type of game has been done already. You can make almost any connection between any game if you really wanted to.

2) The story is too short and doesn't explain a whole lot.

Well whoever says this is completely missing the whole point of what games like this do. Have you heard of the grimoires? Yeah that weird score thing that keeps popping up you know nothing about. Well that is actually linked to your profile on bungie.net where you can go look at cards you have unlocked. and guess what? On each card it tells about the background and story. So just like some other games have (such as dark souls and borderlands) you have to read some item descriptions to get some more of the lore going on.But guess they were just too lazy to actually go figure that out

3. It is a grind fest to get materials or get levels.

No shit sherlock. Have you ever played an MMO before?

4. the RNG is crap.

Okay this one makes me laugh every single time. For those of you who don't know RNG means random number generatation. Which means that every time you kill something or complete a mission or finish a crucible match you have a random chance at getting something. People are complaining because they are impatient and want all the good gear now instead of waiting for it. Here is my words to them. What part of the random in RNG do not get? IT means random for a reason. Don't like it? Well sucks to be you then cause RNG is in a lot of games now.

5. All the enemies are so repetitive.

Now this one is retarded just from looking at it but I did some research to prove my point on it. Did you know in Destiny there are actually 23 different enemy types, not including bosses or drop ships. Yeah I counted them. Did you know Halo 4 only has about 8 different enemy types with a few different colors. So there is that for logic. Won't list them all but you can look it up yourself.

6. The story isn't long enough and they are making us pay for expansions.

I have heard this from the same people who will go out and buy every COD and all their DLCs every year. but anyways. The story actually does take a while if you don't blast through the whole thing it does take a while. And even after you get through all that, the real game starts once you get up past level 20. There is so more more things to do and accomplish. All that random stuff you thought was useless before now finally becomes useful. You get so much gear, harder missions to accomplish. You think that boss was easy at level 4? Try him again at level 20 or even level 28 and see how much of a challenge it is. And if that isn't enough for you. Bungie has been releasing free, let me repeat that, FREE CONTENT since the game came out and are continuing to do it so there should be no complaints at all that there is nothing to do.

So there it is my rant about it. Destiny is an amazing game and it is only going to get better. I am completely hooked on it and have only scratched the surface with one character. Now stop complaining about games and just do what we are suppose to do... enjoy them. That is all. Chill Out.


Edit: since you edited your post when I was posting mine I didn't get to see it. Did you know in pvp they make everyone more on an even playing field? I am a level 27 and can still be killed by level 7s just as easily as I can by a level 28. That arguement is invalid. Please look it up before you complain about it

Well worded. I'm not complaining just to complain mind you. These are just some things I noticed playing through the game. It's much more difficult to kill a level 25 when you are a level 9 that everyone can agree on. Level 25 will do some crazy ass acrobatics and teleportations and I'm just like "I can throw a grenade..." Perhaps they could better balance the teams so it's not so "Pro vs. noob." Never bitched about the Expansions and free stuff. You are correct, enemies are not repetitive, though the bosses either stand there and sponge or die very quickly. I actually like the way the RNG is set up. Not a big grinder, but fuck it killing things can be fun. My biggest issue is that the story is so badly structured. I get the whole grimoire thing being a ME fan with that long-ass codex. Destiny just doesn't explain anything at all throughout the story missions. Why am I getting this thing and what will it do? I kinda just wish we got more context into what we were doing. The load times are a bit long also, but that's to be expected with newer tech anyway. It's been said that the game really takes off at level 20, so I'm hoping that the raids are as good as Myth and Anarchy were saying. Also don't insult me for offering a bit of criticism on some glaring things that annoy the piss out of me while I'm playing.

[silversleek(GEN)]

alright chill, some of your points are just awful.

If you have any complaint about any game at all, no matter what it is, and you think you could do it better? THEN GO MAKE THE GAME YOURSELF! Does anyone even realise how hard it is anymore to make a game as huge as destiny is or many other games like it. This has been years in the making.

surgery is also hard to accomplish, and i would not trust myself with doing it, but i'll damn right bitch if my doctor fucks up my surgery.

just because you're unable to do something with your current skillset does not mean you can't critique someone who has done the task. The fact that's it's been years in the making and still feels incomplete says something.

2) The story is too short and doesn't explain a whole lot.

Well whoever says this is completely missing the whole point of what games like this do. Have you heard of the grimoires? Yeah that weird score thing that keeps popping up you know nothing about. Well that is actually linked to your profile on bungie.net where you can go look at cards you have unlocked. and guess what? On each card it tells about the background and story. So just like some other games have (such as dark souls and borderlands) you have to read some item descriptions to get some more of the lore going on.But guess they were just too lazy to actually go figure that out

An encyclopedia is not a story. i would not go out and read the dictionary hoping to find a story. And sure, it'll give additional details on some aspects, but i'm sorry if i don't want to have to LEAVE THE FUCKING GAME and do research online to even begin figuring anything out.

6. The story isn't long enough and they are making us pay for expansions.

The story actually does take a while if you don't blast through the whole thing it does take a while. And even after you get through all that, the real game starts once you get up past level 20. There is so more more things to do and accomplish. All that random stuff you thought was useless before now finally becomes useful. You get so much gear, harder missions to accomplish. You think that boss was easy at level 4? Try him again at level 20 or even level 28 and see how much of a challenge it is. And if that isn't enough for you. Bungie has been releasing free, let me repeat that, FREE CONTENT since the game came out and are continuing to do it so there should be no complaints at all that there is nothing to do.

oh bullshit. the story is a phenomenal length for just another shooter, but for an mmo, which it's marketed as, and you acknowledge in another point? it would barely count as a tutorial area for the amount of content. The game starts at level one, and really, ends at 19-20. Harder difficulties are NOT new content. it's the same content rehashed with slightly different health and damage values on the enemies. that is all. additional daily quests to repeat already completed quests is not free content. it's an extension of replayability value that they're using to keep us from jumping ship till the first dlc (disc locked content in this case) is released. the ONLY content past level 20 is the raid, which was not even released at the start of the game, so those that beat the game before that? no additional content past level 20.

So there it is my rant about it. Destiny is an amazing game and it is only going to get better. I am completely hooked on it and have only scratched the surface with one character. Now stop complaining about games and just do what we are suppose to do... enjoy them. That is all. Chill Out.

destiny isn't really that amazing. it's fun. i will give you that. i know i'll be playing for a fair amount of time. (till mcc comes out anyways) also, it getting better is irrelevant to the current game. i could get into a rant of my own about all the negatives of destiny, but instead, i think i'll go play destiny.

[Mythonian]

Some of you say the glass is half empty while others say it's half full. I'm going to take the gripping hand's approach and say the glass might be twice the size it needs to be.


Think of it relative to the cost. If you only spent $60 for a surgery, you're gonna get a shit doctor who's going to probably steal an organ or two during it. If you spent a reasonable price for it, then you should be fine. Basically, you get what you pay for.

You paid $60 for a game. How many hours of enjoyment is that worth? I paid that price for Titanfall and played probably 30 hours or less and I still feel I got my money's worth out of it. I've played 180+ hours of Destiny already, and after all that the single thing I want the most to be added is custom game lobbies.

The amount that is bought for that $60 price tag is quite reasonable. Saying the game is incomplete, though, isn't untrue. However, it has the wrong connotation and is from the wrong perspective. The game initiates a lore universe and overarching story elements which are impossible to reasonably successfully explain in a $60 package.

If you want the full 10-year product at once, for $60, you'd cause Bungie to go out of business. Yes it would keep people playing, but the only way Bungie could survive with that is if there was a subscription price as well, which as everyone knows comes with very negative connotations. To avoid this and still yield a profit (because remember: gaming is an industry, not a public service), Bungie and Activision must slice things up and spread them out over a period of time.

Leaving people wanting more details on the story is a requirement for the story to remain relevant for months and years. Leaving people wanting more content is a requirement for the game itself to remain relevant for years to come. This isn't Bungie screwing you over, it's Bungie trying to initiate a long-term plan.


The plan they are starting is having a bit of a rocky beginning, yes. If they had tried to have a slightly more humble beginning, introducing the world and lore one small piece at a time, it would have been smoother and easier likely, which is why I said at the start that the glass might be twice the size it needs to be. The lore and universe is vast and unexplored right now, which is why people say the game is incomplete, so I think they would have been better off starting smaller and working their way up, expanding things steadily.

for an mmo, which it's marketed as

What? No it's not. They did everything to avoid calling it an MMO. They marketed it in the opposite way, as NOT an MMO, but a persistent world FPS.

They've steered clear from that, specifically to avoid people trying to compare it to other MMOs and the stereotypes that come along with that genre.

In Destiny, I start a mission on the moon, finish it somewhere else on the moon, then start another mission on the moon and have to travel from where I began the first one. The sense of progress is broken up by being forced to see the same initial zones over and over again.

Destiny is not supposed to be a linear story from A to B like Halo. They are trying to give a sense of interconnectedness between all the missions stemming from the same point. From a gameplay perspective as well, I think it was a good idea as it gives a sense of location about where things are positioned around the areas, how to go from location to location, etc.

If they had instead started you at some place you just finished the last mission at, it would feel more linear and make it feel like the path the missions took is the only one that matters on the map and everything important is in those areas.

[Silko]

Some of you say the glass is half empty while others say it's half full. I'm going to take the gripping hand's approach and say the glass might be twice the size it needs to be.


Think of it relative to the cost. If you only spent $60 for a surgery, you're gonna get a shit doctor who's going to probably steal an organ or two during it. If you spent a reasonable price for it, then you should be fine. Basically, you get what you pay for.

You paid $60 for a game. How many hours of enjoyment is that worth? I paid that price for Titanfall and played probably 30 hours or less and I still feel I got my money's worth out of it. I've played 180+ hours of Destiny already, and after all that the single thing I want the most to be added is custom game lobbies.

The amount that is bought for that $60 price tag is quite reasonable. Saying the game is incomplete, though, isn't untrue. However, it has the wrong connotation and is from the wrong perspective. The game initiates a lore universe and overarching story elements which are impossible to reasonably successfully explain in a $60 package.

If you want the full 10-year product at once, for $60, you'd cause Bungie to go out of business. Yes it would keep people playing, but the only way Bungie could survive with that is if there was a subscription price as well, which as everyone knows comes with very negative connotations. To avoid this and still yield a profit (because remember: gaming is an industry, not a public service), Bungie and Activision must slice things up and spread them out over a period of time.

Leaving people wanting more details on the story is a requirement for the story to remain relevant for months and years. Leaving people wanting more content is a requirement for the game itself to remain relevant for years to come. This isn't Bungie screwing you over, it's Bungie trying to initiate a long-term plan.


The plan they are starting is having a bit of a rocky beginning, yes. If they had tried to have a slightly more humble beginning, introducing the world and lore one small piece at a time, it would have been smoother and easier likely, which is why I said at the start that the glass might be twice the size it needs to be. The lore and universe is vast and unexplored right now, which is why people say the game is incomplete, so I think they would have been better off starting smaller and working their way up, expanding things steadily.What? No it's not. They did everything to avoid calling it an MMO. They marketed it in the opposite way, as NOT an MMO, but a persistent world FPS.

They've steered clear from that, specifically to avoid people trying to compare it to other MMOs and the stereotypes that come along with that genre.Destiny is not supposed to be a linear story from A to B like Halo. They are trying to give a sense of interconnectedness between all the missions stemming from the same point. From a gameplay perspective as well, I think it was a good idea as it gives a sense of location about where things are positioned around the areas, how to go from location to location, etc.

If they had instead started you at some place you just finished the last mission at, it would feel more linear and make it feel like the path the missions took is the only one that matters on the map and everything important is in those areas.

Myth I was agreeing with almost all of this until the MMO part. While they didn't market it as a MMO there are very obvious MMO elements in this game. A RNG loot system, grinding out reputation/faction and comms to get epic gear, PvP and PvE gear (Crucible & Vanguard Armor), Class based build system. These are elements that Bungie took from MMOs and very early marketing for this game was calling it a gun based MMO. But there are a lot of things that I did agree with. Such as how they are doing the story. The best game I know of that I can compare this to is the MMO Star Wars: The Old Republic. All the end game content is related to the over all story arc of the game. Over the past almost 3 years they have expanded the story through the use of content patches. Difference was, like most MMOs as myth pointed out, they used a subscriber based system so you already payed for the DLC with your sub were as with this game you are going to have to buy the DLC. It is actually cheaper in the long run this way for the consumer instead of the constant sub.

Give the Bungie time people. This is clearly a game they plan to develop over a long period of time. This is Bungie for christ sake, since when has Bungie ever gave the fans the middle finger and just stop developing games in favor of the fans? Bungie said fuck you to Microsoft and I doubt they will let Activision get in their way as well.

[Mythonian]

While they didn't market it as a MMO there are very obvious MMO elements in this game.

Sorry if I was unclear. I didn't intend to say the game didn't have similarities to MMOs, I was just saying they didn't market it as one, instead using the term "persistent world FPS."

The game irrefutably has similarities, although to be fair most of the similarities you mentioned aren't tied with MMOs completely. Nearly all loot-based games have RNG systems, ranging from Diablo to Borderlands, PVP/PVE gear is common in every game that has connections between the environments (even H4's loadouts would be a very basic form of this, where you might set it up differently in MM compared to campaign), and class distinctions are in everything from Divinity to TF2.

Feature X might be in lots of MMOs, but that feature is also present in lots of non-MMO games as well, so calling it an "MMO Feature" isn't very accurate, because it's also a "FPS Feature" and a "RPG Feature" and a "RTS Feature" etc., etc.

[NervyDestroyer]

Give the Bungie time people. This is clearly a game they plan to develop over a long period of time. This is Bungie for christ sake, since when has Bungie ever gave the fans the middle finger and just stop developing games in favor of the fans? Bungie said fuck you to Microsoft and I doubt they will let Activision get in their way as well.

Unfortunately video games are an industry. Activision is the one throwing their money and resources at the game so if Bungie were to say "fuck you" to Activision, then Destiny is finished. Luckily Activision is being very loose and letting Bungie kind of do their thing.

[Jam Cliché]

The AngryJoe video actually countered every apologetic point in this thread so far, but apparently nobody had the patience to watch it. lol