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    Re: Halo: Reach Title Update

    So has this update toi ruin reach come out yet so I can try it out and laugh at 343's first fail?
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    Re: Halo: Reach Title Update

    Quote Originally Posted by Ninjaboltz View Post
    So has this update to ruin Reach come out yet, so I may try it out and laugh at 343's first fail?
    No not yet, also I had to do a /fix on this one I had to read it a few times in order to understand it. Not as a personal attack to you Ninja, but please put some punctuation marks in your comments so it slows down the pace of your statement and makes it much easier to read. A simple comma goes a long way. plus the tio threw me off a bit lol

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    Re: Halo: Reach Title Update

    Quote Originally Posted by Silko View Post
    No not yet, also I had to do a /fix on this one I had to read it a few times in order to understand it. Not as a personal attack to you Ninja, but please put some punctuation marks in your comments so it slows down the pace of your statement and makes it much easier to read. A simple comma goes a long way. plus the tio threw me off a bit lol
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    Re: Halo: Reach Title Update

    There is no excuse for the inability to perform proper grammar and punctuation, as well as spelling.


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    Re: Halo: Reach Title Update

    ^ This

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    Re: Halo: Reach Title Update

    Quote Originally Posted by Andimion View Post
    There is no excuse for the inability to perform proper grammar and punctuation, as well as spelling.
    My mom is an english teacher and honestly my grammer fails.

    some people understand language and stuff like that better than others. Math and science makes a billions times more sense to me than English and writing. while my mom struggles with basic algebra but can write a whole book.

    lets stay on topic though guys.
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    Re: Halo: Reach Title Update

    Suck it up I have said this multiple times, I have no room for google chrome or firefox. I just moved in with my dad and it will be a while b4 my comp gets swept and thanks Hazy. So silko stop trying to piss me off cause you will get the same reply. Also I watched the new video updates comming some time in early september.
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    Re: Halo: Reach Title Update

    The Halo Waypoint Bulletin released an all-encompassing update about all of the Title Update changes. Here is a quote version, without the pretty pictures. :P

    Quote Originally Posted by 343industries
    Welcome to Halo: Reach Title Update 101.

    Amid the hustle and bustle of the weekend, we gently released the specifics of the Title Update within the wilderness of our forum. We didn’t go into much detail, though, so I thought it may be beneficial to elaborate upon the particulars and hopefully, by proxy, clear up any lingering questions. From the team that is bringing you the TU (a few of which are known as the dynamic duo of Greg and Chad), here’s more information about some changes that may soon be coming your way. When reading over the specifics, please keep in mind these options—which are still being fine-tuned, altered, and generally played around with—will live in their own special area. You’ll be able to go into a specific hopper, check out the adjustments, and provide feedback on your experiences. And it is with that feedback that we’ll be able to provide the best possible experience over time. So repeat after me: conventional Reach gameplay will continue to exist alongside this new stuff. Also, there’s no place like home. Or something like that, anyway.

    Now, put on your listening ears and sit on your pockets, class, because it’s time to pay attention.


    Make damage bleed to health through shields possible.

    In regard to non-ordnance weapon damage in Vanilla Reach (i.e. not the Rocket Launcher, Grenade Launcher, grenades, etc), the damage system is divided into shields and health. If you have 10 points of shield left, and take 25 points of damage, your shields are eliminated, but the remaining 15 points of damage are not inflicted upon the character. With this change, however, said 15 points transfer into health. This is consistent with the behavior of previous Halo games.

    Example: Say the player has 5 health points and 10 shields points. If you hit him with 25 points of damage, he dies.


    Make reticle bloom configurable.


    Reticule “bloom” is more than just the way the reticule expands when the player shoots. What we actually have done is take control over the maximum radius of the cone of error that expands as the player fires. The actual UI “bloom” is just a representation of a feature that has been in Halo since the beginning. The colloquial “BR Spread” from Halo 3 was this same set of variables, just implemented differently. The same goes for the Halo CE magnum, where holding the trigger down resulted in less accuracy than pulling the trigger rapidly.

    What makes Reach’s implementation different from previous games is that it was applied to medium range headshot weapons with the goal of enforcing a “cadence.” Cadence here refers to the pacing and pattern in which the player is expected to fire the weapon to maintain accuracy. For the Needle Rifle, for example, the optimal cadence is to hold down the trigger for three shots, then let go and hold it again for three more shots, then deliver the seventh shot to the head.

    Ultimately, bloom and cadence (among other features) were specifically designed to give Reach a slower pace than previous titles. However, a couple of notable features have arisen from this decision: for starters, cadence is easily interrupted in Reach. In fact, many of the Armor Abilities are almost explicitly designed to do that and waiting for that fifth DMR shot to be ready can be really frustrating when you lose the race against your opponent’s Armor Lock energy recovery. Second, shooting to cadence is really only a valid tactic at range; the closer you get to your opponent, the less cadence applies, and players both casual and competitive can attest to how spamming the trigger actually becomes the more reliable option here. So, ultimately while the goal was to make the weapons feel more sophisticated and add a layer of skill required to use them, the net result has been that medium range weapons such as the DMR feel unreliable at their intended range, and trigger spam has not been discouraged.

    What we can do is adjust the maximum cone of error on all headshot weapons (except sniper rifles) for any gametype based on a percentage of its default value. The obvious example that we used at Halo Fest is 0% bloom, which guarantees that the DMR, Needle Rifle, and Magnum are going to shoot exactly where you point them, every time. We could, if we wanted to, raise the bloom to 300%, making it so that said weapons become even less accurate over sustained fire, and take longer to recover their accuracy. Not that we’d do that. Especially not to the MLG playlist on April Fool’s. Why are you looking at me that way?

    Anyway, this is a powerful tool that we plan to use in very controlled instances. Our primary goal is not to simply strip away bloom from all gametypes. What we’ve found is keeping some bloom actually allows the headshot weapons to feel more rewarding and reliable without overpowering them. In fact, the number we’re currently sweet on is 85%. At a 15% reduction, the DMR feels a lot better, without the Needle Rifle becoming Dolphin Gun, Destroyer of Worlds. In that way, we may find ourselves with a happy medium. That’s not to say that “Zero Bloom” doesn’t have its place in this new world order. It certainly does, but trust us: with zero bloom in place, the Needle Rifle becomes (and should be treated like) a power weapon. As such any implementation of zero bloom will be in a place where we don’t likely expect players to necessarily want to pick up anything other than what they start with. Unfortunately, we can’t make this user-facing, so players will not be able to experiment with bloom themselves, but we plan to release multiple gametypes with varying bloom settings.


    Modify Armor Lock.
    • Sticky grenade will not be nullified if you use Armor Lock after being stuck.
    • Damage received while in Armor Lock is transferred to remaining Armor Ability energy.
    • How much the damage depletes your Armor Lock energy is configurable.

    In Vanilla Reach, an armor locked player is completely invincible. Further, they can even cancel a death they were about to experience if they were stuck, simply by locking. To address this, we’ve made a few changes. First and most notably, damage taken by an armor locked player is fed to their ability energy. What this means is that you can cause a player who is armor locked to run out of energy faster by attacking them. We are also able to cap the amount of damage transferred to ability energy based on the percentage of their total energy. For example, we can make it so a player can “damage” 75% of a player’s energy. If a player locks with full energy, and someone hits them hard enough, a 75% cap would leave them with 25% energy that would drain over time, like ability energy normally does. If that player only has 50% energy left in that same situation, however, the damage will knock them out of Armor Lock and expose them to take normal shield/health damage. 50% here is only an example and is something we can fine tune.

    Also worth mentioning is that if a player is stuck and then armor locks, rather than shedding the grenade and surviving unhurt, the player will die, and the player that stuck him will get his stuck medal. This works for both Plasma Grenades and the Plasma Launcher. The net result of these changes is that we are changing Armor Lock in a way that makes it (to quote one Greg Hermann) “a block button, not a pause button.”


    Modify Active Camo.
    • Reduce the bonus time the player gets in Active Camo while standing still.
    • Reduce the overall length of time the player can be in Active Camo.

    When you initiate Active Camo, it depletes faster if you’re moving. If you stand perfectly still, however, it depletes at a slower rate. We are able to modify these rates, and in testing have reduced both by about 15 seconds. This encourages a more sparing use of the Armor Ability, as opposed to in Vanilla Reach where players might camp in one place for upwards of a minute just waiting for someone to run by. Instead, its usage is better saved for quick escapes, or quick surprise attacks.


    Remove Sword block.
    • Disable the ability to block Sword attacks using melee with anything other than another Sword.

    Removing sword block brings the sword back to a better version of a power weapon. This change was implemented simply to make the sword feel more reliable—and the outcome, of course, is that the sword is more reliable. Keep that in mind when you see the sword guy charging through the battlefield!


    Implement the classic Magnum from Halo: CE.

    • Can make the Magnum automatic.
    • Can modify rate of fire of the Magnum.
    • Can modify Magnum damage.

    Whereas the other features of the TU are there to assist in the transition to 343 steering Reach’s future, the Magnum features are simply meant to enhance the “Anniversary” experience when the game is released. Ultimately, the only way to completely match the Halo CE experience would be to completely rerelease Halo CE Multiplayer, exactly as it was. For a number of reasons, that wasn’t an option but the TU presented us with at least an opportunity to nod toward the multiplayer experience that started it all. As such, we added some additional features that specifically affect the Magnum that allow us to imitate the behavior of the Halo CE Magnum. In conjunction with the bloom settings, making the weapon fully automatic, and adjusting its rate of fire and damage allows us to give the weapon a behavior consistent with the Halo CE death machine.

    The net result is that we can make gametypes that feature the Magnum in a unique way. As with something as dramatic as zero bloom, it is our intent to keep the three-shot Magnum in a controlled environment. It’s certainly not meant for default Slayer (where it’d be more effective than either the Needle Rifle or the DMR), but it has a special place in the Anniversary gametypes, and there’s probably other niches where it’ll work as well.


    Enable playing Co-Op Campaign and Firefight without requiring a HDD.


    Soon those without an HDD will be able to experience all the Xbox LIVE features of Halo: Reach, including Co-op Campaign and Firefight. Bam, said the lady!


    And there you have it: the lowdown on the upcoming Halo: Reach Title Update. Hopper and date information is forthcoming, so stay tuned for that. Please note some of these options may not be included in the beta hoppers, but will be available with the Anniversary playlists.
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    Ah, so they aren't completely getting rid of Bloom. That's good to hear then, and a reduction of Bloom on the DMR would make it equally as effective as the Needle Rifle (which fucking owns everything).

    Not excited at all about Bleed Through returning. It was one of the many things that ruined Halo 3's multiplayer. I won't be surprised to see people using Sprint in order to rush and beat you down more often. LAME!

    Finally glad to see they fixed the sticky grenade thing on Armor Lock. Its about time. The other changes aren't needed though.

    Active Camo doesn't need to be nerfed. It was perfect in the beta for Halo: Reach and then they nerfed it in the retail version of Reach to make it worthless.

    Mixed feelings about this update now. I equally hate and love stuff about it.

    That bleed through is going to be annoying now and can completely change how I will play Reach.

    Oh well I guess I'll have to:

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    Re: Halo: Reach Title Update

    As long as they don't add in the triple beatdown rule like MLG...

    Oh wait...

    They most likely are...



    I have a solution!

    Get rid of the bleed-through for normal weapons and make it like all of the other Halo's: A 2-hit beatdown!!





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