WC Needs Your Feedback

[Metkil5685]

Members of Forerunner Conflict,


Over the past weeks, various issues revolving Forerunner Conflict and it's Battle Nights have been getting worse and worse. Based off the events of the last two Battle Nights (8/16 and 8/23), WC had a meeting to discuss the issues and two drastic options came up. Although some wanted to move on the decisions right away, we decided to hold off on any decisions until we get more feedback from the community.


So here we are asking for your feedback on the two drastic options.


First, implementing a player draft. Solus has already made a thread pertaining to this, so please direct your feedback on this idea over to this thread: http://fcwars.net/forums/showthread.php?15472-Draft
If you don't know what the concept of the draft is, the tl;dr of it is this:
All members of the armies are put into a pool. The players are then split into an 'even' fashion (based on skill and numbers). This would only last for the duration of the current MCC war.


Second, ending the war now. The basis of this is that we're mere weeks from Halo 5. We need time to prepare for Halo 5. Also, with other releases in the coming weeks (namely The Taken King for Destiny) and the low popularity of MCC in general, we can only expect numbers for Battle Nights to diminish as we get closer to Halo 5. Obviously, if we do this, the Player Draft will not be implemented. If we do this, we're going to focus on more fun community driven events (not just limited to MCC) as the other purpose of this would be to promote community development in the down time.


So please, everyone, give us your feedback on this. War Council is going be meeting Tuesday/Wednesday (day undetermined right now) at 8pm EST. Spread this thread to everyone you know in FC.


Please,
be brutally honest.


Metkil5685
BLUE Field Marshall
Website Administrator

[Legendary Nova]

In my opinion, no matter how thought out a draft is, it will never work as expected with everyone being happy with where they are. People would just regroup after a few weeks and then the entire draft would become uselessin the first place.

As for ending the war early, I don't really go to BN so I don't have a first-hand view of it, but from what I see people are just getting more and more frustrated with the current state of the war, so ending it might be the best way to go about it.

[CAW0139]

CHANGE SOMETING GOD DAMNIT!!!! JUST ENDING THE WAR AND WAITING IS GETTING NOTHING DONE!!!!!
I dont like a draft because people will leave, ive said it in my posts, and responses to the draft have been pretty clear. Something does need changed though and simply ending the war and waiting for H5 is NOT a solution to the problem, its postponing it again.

[Seerow]

CHANGE SOMETING GOD DAMNIT!!!! JUST ENDING THE WAR AND WAITING IS GETTING NOTHING DONE!!!!!
I dont like a draft because people will leave, ive said it in my posts, and responses to the draft have been pretty clear. Something does need changed though and simply ending the war and waiting for H5 is NOT a solution to the problem, its postponing it again.

People are already leaving without the draft because of the skill imbalance. two of our recruits got off early, once after the first game with VbD and the second after the next that followed. honestly I don't think people will leave if the draft happens and if they do it will only be temporary since I personally find it really hard to leave FC regardless of how I feel about the shit job that's been done trying to fix the issues we only seem to be post-poning. Honestly, I've said it once and I'll say it again, Blue seems to be content with how things are going so long as they don't have to face a VbD and they get games Sunday. it seems they can give shits less about how things are effecting REDD members in this community and that's just wrong because it seems it's leaders are like-minded. Now if this is not the case, it certainly seems like it from my perspective and I apologize if it isn't so. I agree with CAW in saying that it is postponing the problem but on the other hand I wouldn't force people to continue to play if they aren't having fun.

[GAMExSOLID]

Honestly, I've said it once and I'll say it again, Blue seems to be content with how things are going so long as they don't have to face a VbD and they get games Sunday. it seems they can give shits less about how things are effecting REDD members in this community and that's just wrong because it seems it's leaders are like-minded. Now if this is not the case, it certainly seems like it from my perspective and I apologize if it isn't so. I agree with CAW in saying that it is postponing the problem but on the other hand I wouldn't force people to continue to play if they aren't having fun.

I left REDD knowing I had to fight VbD. That was when BLUE was getting torched by REDD in my first war. My second I went BLUE luckily for me VbD went Blue like a week later.

[Drth spartan]

People are already leaving without the draft because of the skill imbalance. two of our recruits got off early, once after the first game with VbD and the second after the next that followed. honestly I don't think people will leave if the draft happens and if they do it will only be temporary since I personally find it really hard to leave FC regardless of how I feel about the shit job that's been done trying to fix the issues we only seem to be post-poning. Honestly, I've said it once and I'll say it again, Blue seems to be content with how things are going so long as they don't have to face a VbD and they get games Sunday. it seems they can give shits less about how things are effecting REDD members in this community and that's just wrong because it seems it's leaders are like-minded. Now if this is not the case, it certainly seems like it from my perspective and I apologize if it isn't so. I agree with CAW in saying that it is postponing the problem but on the other hand I wouldn't force people to continue to play if they aren't having fun.

I feel like there is a communication problem between armies because I'm constantly hearing ideas from blue players on how to change things to make it enjoyable to both teams.

I think we need to have a redd and blue get together on xbox live every week or two weeks that way there is less of a communication barrier.

[Houdini]

Honestly, I've said it once and I'll say it again, Blue seems to be content with how things are going so long as they don't have to face a VbD and they get games Sunday. it seems they can give shits less about how things are effecting REDD members in this community and that's just wrong because it seems it's leaders are like-minded. Now if this is not the case, it certainly seems like it from my perspective and I apologize if it isn't so.

I can't speak for the entire blue army, but at least for me this isn't the case. I remember being on the other side of the skill imbalance (when this whole FC is dying trend started back in Rec3). I hated playing last war because it wasn't fun. It isn't fun being on either side of 400-0 games. Something does need to change.

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I have a suggestion. Resistance to a draft is because people don't want to be separated from their friends, right? So how about the armies swapping a few whole squads (keeping the squads together), with a view to balancing out the skill levels between the armies? Squad members can even keep their ranks.

What squads would be able to transfer? VbD is pretty heavily ingrained in Blue and probably will not switch. Vague Memories is 2/3 of Blue High Command. Umbra is probably blue's weakest squad and only fielded ~4-5 people last BN. Which squad would work for fixing balancing issues?

[silversleek(GEN)]

CHANGE SOMETING GOD DAMNIT!!!! JUST ENDING THE WAR AND WAITING IS GETTING NOTHING DONE!!!!!
I dont like a draft because people will leave, ive said it in my posts, and responses to the draft have been pretty clear. Something does need changed though and simply ending the war and waiting for H5 is NOT a solution to the problem, its postponing it again.

Agreed. People are saying not to just make change for the sake of change, but we're not. We need change because without it we die. We could wait till halo 5, maybe it's the saviour we've been waiting for, but if it's not? If it's not, and has issues like MCC did, we can't survive in our current state. I don't particularly like the idea of a draft. It's against a lot of what I believe this community stands for. But, I would accept one (grudgingly).

What I want is for WC to come to a decision to make a change. Without community feedback. I find our leaders are relying a bit too much on community feedback. What's the point of having leaders if they can't take initiative and make changes on their own? I feel like i've seen more polls for things lately than I have in years. Sometimes, you have to make hard decisions. Sometime's you'll fuck up, but you keep moving forwards. You always strive towards being better than before.

I have a suggestion. Resistance to a draft is because people don't want to be separated from their friends, right? So how about the armies swapping a few whole squads (keeping the squads together), with a view to balancing out the skill levels between the armies? Squad members can even keep their ranks.

I'll be completely honest here, I don't think the skill imbalance is nearly as bad as people are making it out to be, it's just a morale issue. Equinox can easily be a match for VBD if we play at our best, we've had close games that have ended with like, 10 points difference. We've beaten vbd mixes.

I've played with plenty of people from renegade, and even though they've had a poor record this war, They are easily a match for vague memories and umbra. They've been losing, yes, but they have so much potential. And, I mean a match for them right now, without a month long training montage.

I can't say much else for terminus/bellator/redwatch/legacy, as I don't know who's active in there.

But it's 100% a morale issue in my mind. People lost, and that made them not want to play and give it their all, and that made them lose more, and so on. What really needs to happen is something to fix the morale problem, not a skill imbalance (which does exist somewhat, but could easily be overcome with a little bit of practice. The most infuriating thing I hear in the casual vs competitive argument is the casuals not wanting to practice in order to keep up, but still complaining about losing. Surprise.) What that morale solution is I don't know.

[Seerow]

I'll be completely honest here, I don't think the skill imbalance is nearly as bad as people are making it out to be, it's just a morale issue. Equinox can easily be a match for VBD if we play at our best, we've had close games that have ended with like, 10 points difference. We've beaten vbd mixes.

its been a while since Equinox has actually had a close game with VbD (since August 2nd which was by 1 extraction point in a game of extraction that VbD won.) Every other game since then has been around 50 point+ win by VbD sometimes doubling Equinox's score. VbD has lost one game since they started playing this war (a Forfeit which was probably connection related) and every other one they've won so I honestly don't know what you're talking about Silver.

[Barry Soap]

its been a while since Equinox has actually had a close game with VbD (since August 2nd which was by 1 extraction point in a game of extraction that VbD won.) Every other game since then has been around 50 point+ win by VbD sometimes doubling Equinox's score. VbD has lost one game since they started playing this war (a Forfeit which was probably connection related) and every other one they've won so I honestly don't know what you're talking about Silver.

? He's not wrong, for us not practising I'd say we've done pretty damn well without having practice. That being said, the only reason we have preformed poorly recently is PURELY down to morale. Can you blame any of the Equinox members for not really trying in games that we know won't affect the outcome of the map?

Also, I've said this many times but I may as well echo it - I personally enjoy playing VbD because I know they're better than me but that isn't consistent across all of REDD. Recruits come into FC and are told that the community is lightly competitive. So when they come to battle night and get destroyed and demoralised, it basically makes recruiting low-skilled players pointless.