Reduce Game Count On All Maps

[WM Feedback]

I'd like to cut the required games to win a map by about 1/3.

Here's why:

• The second map's count usually gets cut down anyways
• We have fewer people this war, and playing the same map 4+ times is overkill
• Don't we all love it when battle night ends a little early? I do.

Number crunching
A rough 33% cut would look like this:

(4v4s) 27 -> 17
(6v6s) 19 -> 13
(8v8s) 15 -> 9

Why this isn't really a big change:

Using this last week as an example where 45 games were played with 28 games on haven and 17 games on Pitfall (See what I mean?), we would have played 19 games on haven (assuming 1 tie and 1 tiebreaker), and 17 games on Pitfall.

Total games would have been 36 instead of 45 (20% reduction) and we would have finished about an hour earlier.

[Jam Cliché]

There was discussion about this in the War Council, and it was generally agreed upon to change the game count based on the attendance that night.

I believe this to be a complete flop of an idea.

I went over some suggestions for static changes, but we never came to an agreement.

The other issue surrounding the game count is how many times we allow a team to play a map. I did some digging and then some math:

2.4 Battles fought on large maps (8v8) shall be played best 8 of 15 games. Medium (6v6) battles will be best 10 of 19 games. Small (4v4) battles will be best 14 of 27 games.
3.3 No single squad or player is allowed to play in 6 games on a 4v4 map, 5 games on a 6v6 map, or 4 games on a 8v8 map. Any squad or player participating in more games will cause those games to be forfeits. (Tiebreaker games not included in this)

8v8 map
Best 8 of 15
Max 4 games per team
Minimum teams needed: 4 teams (32 people)
(4 teams * 4 games = 16 > 15)

6v6 map
Best 10 of 19
Max 5 games per team
Minimum teams needed: 4 teams (24 people)
(4 teams * 5 games = 20 > 19)

4v4 map
Best 14 of 27
Max 6 games per team
Minimum teams needed: 5 teams (20 people)
(5 teams * 6 games = 30 > 27)

My recommendations have changed some as time progresses, but here is what I suggest currently in terms of changes. I've been really firm about having a flat number of max games per map as well as a flat number of people required to play through the whole map, then adjusting the game count around that. This is what I come up with if you hold the max games per team at 3 and the minimum number of people at 24.

8v8 map
Best 5 of 9
Max 3 games per team
Minimum teams needed: 3 teams (24 people)
(3 teams * 3 games = 9 games)

6v6 map
Best 6 of 11
Max 3 games per team
Minimum teams needed: 4 teams (24 people)
(4 teams * 3 games = 12 > 11)

4v4 map
Best 9 of 17
Max 3 games per team
Minimum teams needed: 6 teams (24 people)
(6 teams * 3 games = 18 > 17)

[Fernando Naranj]

I like this idea, this would suit the UK guys a lot better.

And ultimately, the times we have to leave the BN at.


I am definitely in agreement with this suggestion.

[KazuhLLL]

The other issue surrounding the game count is how many times we allow a team to play a map.

That's a non-issue compared to the issue of ~4.5 hour Battle-Nights (with game counts slashed on 2nd map).

IMO, these two changes are a given:

8v8 : Best 5 of 9
Max games per team: 3

4v4 : Best 9 of 17
Max games per team: 4


The only toss-up for me is the 6v6s. It would either be:

6v6: Best 7 of 13
Max games per team: 4

or

6v6: Best 6 of 11
Max games per team: 3

[Barry Soap]

I'll be in favour of anything that helps the UK side. Good suggestion!

[Jam Cliché]

That's a non-issue compared to the issue of ~4.5 hour Battle-Nights (with game counts slashed on 2nd map).

You misunderstand me. I'm saying that the max game count is an inherent subject to the overall game count issue. If you lower the game count without changing the limit, you cause a problem.

[silversleek(GEN)]

really the only issue in the past few weeks was multiple 4v4's at the same time.

i'm only really in favour of a decrease in the number for dlc maps, since they will cause the most issues. For others i believe it to be fine.

[Jam Cliché]

really the only issue in the past few weeks was multiple 4v4's at the same time.

i'm only really in favour of a decrease in the number for dlc maps, since they will cause the most issues. For others i believe it to be fine.

The debate has been going on since before we started doubling up on 4v4 maps. If we keep making excuses as to why the Battle Nights take so long, we're never going to make them go faster.

[silversleek(GEN)]

The debate has been going on since before we started doubling up on 4v4 maps. If we keep making excuses as to why the Battle Nights take so long, we're never going to make them go faster.

is it really so bad that battle nights are longer though? wasn't that the whole point of increasing the number of games in the first place? I know i find it much more enjoyable now then when they were like 1- 1 1/2 hours.

[Jam Cliché]

is it really so bad that battle nights are longer though? wasn't that the whole point of increasing the number of games in the first place? I know i find it much more enjoyable now then when they were like 1- 1 1/2 hours.

No, they are not. People get tired of playing for all that time. Why do you think we have already been reducing the game count on the second map? The night is taking too long.